Brand is awesome.... If you are in the year 2002... His contract is horrible compared to anything we have on our books (3 years @ over 15M). He has zero explosiveness and is way too injury prone. AI has too many holes in his game to trade away Scola and all the salary cap relief to Philly. He is in his 7th season and hasn't shown any consistent improvement to his game. He is a liability from the FT line and commits way too many TOs. With all that said, I would love for him to be on our squad... but getting him and Brand is not worth adding $27M to our salary over the long run.
I have thought about this issue alot, and it seems to me that we might be best served as a facilitator in a Melo deal. Houston Rec'vs: D. Gallinari NY Rec'vs: A. Brooks C. Anthony Denver Rec'vs: 2011 First Rounder C. Budinger A. Randolph E. Curry - Rotting Flesh/Exp Contract http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/ Landry Fields could be someone Denver covets as well, and his inclusion would also work mathematically..
Is Gallinari actually that good? The pick swap is looking worthless, especially if the NYK get Melo, so the value in this would be Brooks and the shell of Chase Budinger. Who might just pull a Lazarus one of these days. I guess if we have a backup plan for point guard (or, is that gowanns to be Courtney Lee?), then Brooks can go. Good chance that he or Kyle is a goner anyway.
unfortunately I believe this is the price of doing business... We are getting the 2nd best player in that deal, and it improves a position of need.
I think from here on out, Morey will be putting an emphasis on defense. So any player we acquire will probably be a good defensive player or have the potential to be one and while Gallo is a nice young player, he plays little to no "D" and makes a lot of poor decisions. To be honest, Wilson Chandler intrigues me a lot more and could be someone we force the Knicks to throw in if they want that 1st rd pick back.
I can understand how that looks like alot of give up at first glance...but humor me here... if NY picks up Melo, our swap with them essentially becomes worthless. they have a much easier schedule and are playing well right now. I am assuming they end up with a better record than us this season. brooks is a FA after this season. how much are you willing to pay him? what do you think the rockets could possibly net in a S&T? I am moving him as if he were an expiring contract...because I am not willing to overpay to keep him. so essentially the question becomes, do you consider gallo and significant upgrade over bud. I would say yes
I think we should just grab as many draft picks as possible even if they are in the 20s I'm sure morey could find some talent or put a few of them together and package them for a high pick. I say we go for Joe Johnson. He's out right now but he'd be a creative wing and considering atl is cheap we might be able to pry him. Jamal has been playing well and they could give him a cheaper extension so I propose Sending Battier Brooks or Lowry Jeffries For Bibby Joe they would bite for Lowry or Brooks. They get rid of Marvin who hasn't been doing too good and get rid of Joe and I'd ask for their first rounder too. And if they want I'd send c bud as well Brooks/bibby or Lowry Martin/lee Joe/Marvin Scola/ hill Yao/miller With that extra 1st rounder and the lower of ours and knicks I could see us moving high up in the draft. Also if possible I'd send scola for a first rounder to celts spurs or magic for maybe a decent big like big baby , bass or gortat and maybe splitter. If we can't win I'd love to see scola and battier atleast contend while they can produce than rot their talent on a lotto team. If we could grab like a total of 3 first rounders that would be good enough to get a top 5 pick and k Irving , b knight , and Terrance jones could def help. Def wishful thinking but god willing. And Marvin. You know they need a point and I think
AB, JHill for Memphis O.J. Mayo. Houston gets a potential all-star combo guard which is also an ideal franchise player. Memphis adds energy and athletism which perfectly fits Rudy Gay.
Lowry will be traded before brooks......so find a scenerio for that situation because it will happen unless brooks is part of attaining a major piece i.e. Iggy,etc. We will probably entertain the knicks and give them back the pick to swap for A.Ran......then anything else is in the air, but we need a SF badly!!I could see us giving A.Ran a look because he is big and we need atleast one more on the team (miller is not a spring chicken anymore either!!) which is necessary to compete in the West C......IT IS WRITTEN. .....NO NEED TO DEBATE CAUSE IM ALWAYS RIGHT......
I like any trade involving Mayo.. Dude is smooth and has a real 2 guard body...He cant possibly lose his shooting touch after 3 years in the league...Also no way I trade for Iggy....He is nothing more than a more athletic Ariza...Carmelo would chuck us into the playoffs and out off the playoffs..We need a complete overhaul rather than trade for these wanna be stars on bad teams...
IF we were actually going to obtain Iggy and had to swap a point guard, I would be more inclined to send out Lowry at this point. I've been watching Philly play a lot lately. Lowry is a hometown kid. And Iggy is essentially a point forward, handling and distributing from the top (quite effectively I might add) and he plays very good defense. If we had Iggy on the perimeter, we would probably be better served having two shooters/scorers at the 1 and 2 for Iggy to distribute to. That is, if we could get a substantial defensive upgrade in the paint because on the defensive end, Brooks and Martin are just too bad of a combo to stop anybody from penetrating the paint. The problem with Philly wanting a point is they are undecided on who they want running the show over there. Holiday is looking very pedestrian. I know some people seem to think he's the second coming of Magic Johnson, but he's just not. He is undersized and he's not an effective half court distributor. Sure, he can run a break. But not too many point guards in the NBA aren't capable of running a fast break. And Philly seems to have gone away from Evan Turner. Don't understand that one. I suppose they are doing their best to showcase Iggy for a trade and hold/increase his value upwards. But in the meantime, Turner is rotting away. If they indeed are going to turn the offense over to Turner after an Iggy trade, then they really need more shooter/scorer types around Turner and Lowry really is not an ideal fit in that scenario. Brooks would seem to make a lot more sense on the court with a playmaking big guard/small forward.
Agree with these points. I am kinda in hopes that the trade of a first for AR evolves into something bigger, say perhaps Hill and Bud or Taylor going to Denver and Chandler coming here, along with Randolph. Chandler is a very good player and would be a great in combo with Battier at the 3. At the beginning of the season I felt like Bud was ready to take over the SF spot. Now, I don't feel like he'll ever be ready. His defense has simply never improved from day 1. He doesn't like getting dirty. He likes running up and down the wing and free stroking and looking for an empty lane to the rim for the flush. I don't see him ever improving defensively and now the rest of the league has picked up on it and when he is in the game, everybody isos on him, and they all make him look silly. I think his ceiling is as a bench gunner that can light it up when he is hot and if he is not hot, he is useless. So, basically, I'm ready to move out both Chase and Jermaine to get an improvement at SF.
I agree with you mainly but Holiday is very young (2nd year) and you cant really give up on the guy so soon. He showed alot of promise his rookie year and comes alot cheaper than Brooks will.Brooks may fit better than Lowry but essentially you are doing the samething to Holiday that iggy is doing to turner, pushing the young guys to the bench.Evan/Holiday can form a very good back court if and when they get it together but they MUST play to do so.So unless you want to set back Holiday development then brooks is not the answer unless Philly is willing to go that route. Plus Turner essentailly plays the same position as Iggy and Evan is a distributor just like iggy. Philly pretty much drafted the same type of player in iggy/evan. So im sure it will be out with the old and in with the new at some point. I really dont think they want another PG due to Holiday/evans (iggy being traded ofcourse) handling the ball most of the time anyways. I really think Scola would be the center piece in getting iggy.... Then brooks will be the center piece in getting Landry back.... Then send the pick back to the knicks for A.Ran.... Line up: lowry Martin Iggy Landry/A.Randolph Yao/Hill/Miller .....IT IS WRITTEN... .....NO NEED TO DEBATE CAUSE IM ALWAYS RIGHT......
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26338qb Brooks, Battier, and Jeffries (+0 wins) for Casspi and Dalembert (-3 wins) Lowry/Ish Martin/Lee/Taylor Casspi/Bud Scola/Miller Yao/Dalembert/Hill I think we could finish off the year pretty strong with that lineup. Finally a shotblocking backup center for Yao and we're getting back a 13m expiring contract in Dalembert. Casspi has started off the year well after getting over an injury and word is his defense is looking good (6stl the other day). Casspi also plays hard and is a good rebounder. Kings get an ideal PG to pair next to Evans and some locker room presence to keep Cousins under control. If they want Lowry instead, I'm sure we can work something out in a couple days.
If NBA.com is correct and Memphis is willing to trade O.J. Mayo ($4.46M) and Hasheem Thabeet ($4.79M), then the Rockets should help them. Considering their penchant for penury, we could offer them the expiring contracts of Jeffries ($6.89M) and Hayes ($2.30M). We could throw in the worse of our two 2012 picks as sweetener. That would still leave us with a solid first rounder in 2012 while we give the swap rights back to the Knicks in exchange for Anthony Randolph.
I think Memphis would want more for Mayo than a late 1st rounder and expiring contracts. In another thread, I suggested Martin for Thabeet & Mayo -- which a Grizzlies fan seemed to be on board with too.
Memphis is very pleased with Xavier Henry at SG, and personally I'd hate to give up Martin. Mayo at PG and Martin at SG would make a formidable backcourt. Thabeet is one to three years from being a starter but would give us a solid C to replace Yao Ming. Memphis probably would demand either Hill or Patterson rather than a 2012 draft choice, but I would hope Morey would accept that deal, especially if we pulled off the return of the Knicks' pick for Anthony Randolph.
