Thats the point, they're not trying to give him away like martin was given away. They're trying to get good compensation for a good player. Martin shoots more free throws, but he isn't a better defender,passer, nor playoff performer. Why wouldn't i take deng over martin?
Because we have Battier/Budinger both at the SF spot, so Deng would only crowd that spot or force one of them to play out of position at the SG spot. I'm not sure why you think Deng is a better playoff performer? Martin has only been in the playoffs once and that was four years ago. Obviously you don't have anywhere close to enough sample size to make the statement that Deng is better in the playoffs. Again, you also can't definitively say that Deng is a better passer. Martin has averaged more assist per game than Deng has the last two years. That doesn't mean that Martin is a better passer, but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that Deng is better. Deng is a better defender and rebounder. Martin is a better shooter and scorer. Considering our roster personel and offensive scheme, I would prefer Martin. Of course, this might change if you believe Martin will get hurt for his annual 20 games; though Deng hasn't been a model of health either.
what? They were trying to give him away for cap space, not good compensation. Sacramento wanted good compensation and they got it. Martin for Landry Deng for free Massive oversimplification.
I like landry alot, but to get this great effecient scorer in his prime for a 3m backup is giveaway. Longtime, I know from the sample that deng wil show up and translate into the nba. Deng is a upgrade to shane and chase. deng is an upgrade to martin and the lineup is better with deng at the 3 and chase at the 2 vs martin and shane at the 2/3. Thats not to say he's a bad player, but he's a shrinking violet and a piss poor defender on both the perimeter and on the blocks. I like martin, but if i could get a guy who is 2 yrs younger like deng making the same money, i wouldn't get off the phone.
Deng = Ariza with 2 times the salary. And Ariza was making more than his value. Deng > Martin??? HAHA - happy hour started early for you!!!
Deng has played 4 playoff series in 3 years during his career, winning 1 series out of 4. His stats in 06/07 was very good. His numbers in the other 2 years were pretty bleh. His overall numbers (be they traditional or "advanced") are similar in playoffs compared to his regular season numbers. Not sure how basically one decent 2-series playoff run from 4 seasons ago is a good sample to show that Deng will be good in playoffs.
I guess my problem with Deng is that he does not do any one thing exceptionally well. He's solid overall, but there is nothing he does better than anybody and I guess that is something I want out of a guy who makes his salary. For the Rockets, Deng is definitely not preferable to Martin. Martin is going to draw a lot of fouls, score efficiently and forces teams to respect him from deep. Playing with Yao, those are really important qualities. If I were Denver and Deng was coming along with Noah in a Anthony trade, I would consider making the move, but more for Noah. I think the Bulls overpaid for Deng and were stupid not to trade him for Kobe, or Gasol (as was reported).
Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69099/20100913/fernandez_trade_may_be_coming/#ixzz0zRitPDR8 Hmm....Houston has been said to be interested in acquiring Fernandez at two different occasions. I seriously doubt we get anything done with Portland but you never can tell with Morey.
With Kevin Martin and Courtney Lee on the roster, I had lost interest in Rudy Fernandez. However, my old greed for Rudy is re-surfacing. According to the RealGM trade checker, Fernandez for Jermaine Taylor works. We might have to throw in a minor draft sweetner (not the 2011 swap and not the 2012 Knick #1) like our 2012 #1 or maybe just a seconder rounder. Why would either team consider this? Fernandez easily would be an upgrade over Taylor, but Portland would escape a longer, more expensive contract and still retain an athletic wing player in Taylor. Also, there is no room for Fernandez and he is a chemistry problem for them. Rudy's presence would allow Morey more flexibility in case we actually do have a chance to acquire Carmelo Anthony. If we lost Martin or Budinger (please, Morey, no) in the trade, Fernandez steps in. If we lost Brooks in the deal, Rudy is quick, athletic and can play point (his original role in European ball). Also, Rudy is the type of player who would excel in Rick Adelman's system.
Scenario: Evan Turner and Andre Iguodala have played half the season together. They are having a hard time meshing, and Philly is definitely losing hope of making the playoffs. Realizing that its either Turner or Iguodala, they opt to keep the younger and cheaper talent. Seeing this, and having lost out on the 'Melo sweepstakes, the wise Morey swoops in. Houston Rockets send: Shane Battier, Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries, along with a 1st Round Pick Philadelphia sends: Andre Iguodala and Jason Kapono We all know Doug Collins has a man crush on Battier. Sending him over will allow Turner to be the dominant SG with the 76ers. Battier provides excellent defense, a nice 3-pt clutch, and is a great locker-room leader. Jared Jeffries provides additional defense and veteran leadership to a squad that ranked 2 3rd last year. Jordan Hill is a young and upcoming talent who I'm sure the 76ers would love to have replacing Brand. Hill rebounds, blocks, and is a force in the paint. Throw in the draft pick to allow the 76ers to further rebuild. We get Iguodala. End of story. He is like Ariza 2.0., doing everything better then he could. Plays good defense, can drive in the lane, and get to the foul line. I think he may meld better with our squad then Carmelo could. Smith could be used as a throw-in, us taking on his salary. Don't know too much about him. Face-up forward? Could be our current-day Bullard. So, in theory... Holiday/Williams Turner/Green/Meeks Battier/Nocioni/Kapono Brand/Young/Jeffries Speights/Hill/Hawes Brooks/Lowry/Smith Martin/Lee/Taylor Iguodala/Budinger Scola/Hayes/Patterson Yao/Miller/Smith Thoughts? Comments? I dunno if this is a solid idea or not.
ESPN is reporting that Minnesota is already waving the white flag and talking about rebuilding. Sorry, don't know how to post. Now is the time for Morey to strike!! Minny gets: Hill $3.6 mil. TE 2012 2nd rd pick Houston gets: K. Love Maybe Minny's admittance to not being a championship team will loosen their hold on Love?
While we're at it why dont we just combine our TPE (which we can't do) with Battier and Jeffries for Lebron James.... I still think if we do want to make a trade our best bet is to put Jeffries, Hill, our first rounders from NY and possibly C-Bud out there to try and acquire the best talent we can at the 3 spot...
Rockets Trade: Lowry Jeffries Hill 2012 Hou #1 Pick Nuggets Trade: Billups Nuggets, get some youth to rebuild with the coming of a Melo trade. The addition of Lowry replaces Billups. Lowry gets to compete with Lawson for the starting job in Denver. Hill gives the Nuggets the freedom to trade Nene for more rebuilding pieces while not losing size in the front court. Rockets get under (or atleast close to under) the tax and consolodate some of thier depth into more talent without completely depleting a single position. PG seems to be the position least affected by age so its possible Billups could have 3+ more good years. Brooks gets some PG guidance and slides to the bench (where some seem to think he belongs). Rockets upgrade defensively in the starting lineup, while getting another high character guy with championship experience. The trade leaves enough assets left over to make a play for Iggy if Philly ever decides to trade him. Billups / Brooks / Smith Martin / Lee / Taylor Battier / Budinger Scola / Patterson Yao / Miller / Hayes
I was thinking something similar... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28cv2pe send Denver our '11 swap and NY '12 pick and have Cha send them '11 and '12 first rounders too. That way Denver gets a clean slate in terms of contracts next year while remaining competitive and gets 4! first round picks in the next two years on top of their own. Charlotte gets the best player in the trade. We get a team that has enough talent and depth to push for a championship. Billups/Lowry Martin/Lee Wallace/Bud Scola/Hayes/Pat Yao/Miller This team is as complete as it gets imho.
