Ick, not worth the Deng contract like that. Factoring in Miller. Factoring in Hayes. Factoring in no PT for prospects.
I don't think the Rockets can afford to pay Yao Ming, Kevin Martin, Luol Deng, Luis Scola, a re-signed Aaron Brooks AND a re-signed Joakim Noah. Even if Brooks is shipped to Denver, that's a LOT of money tied up 5-6 guys. Depending on how the new CBA shapes up, it could make maneuverability a key problem for the franchise. Sure, it's a worthwhile gamble to get a guy like Carmelo Anthony. But for Joakim Noah? Eh, not so much.
Since the Carmelo thing is still in the air and it's not sure if we get him or not I was thinking that it would be a good thing to get involved with the Bulls and Denver. I was thinking of something like this. Houston sends : Battier, Jeffries, Hill plus the picks. Chicago sends : Deng and Noah. Denver send: Melo and Balkman. Houston gets: Deng, Noah and Balkman. Chicago gets: Melo. Denver get: Battier, Jeffries, Hill plus the picks. Since the picks are from NY and if NY does not get Melo they will probably suck this will be a deal sweetener to Denver. This way Denver gets expiring contracts plus high picks the next few seasons. Houston gets a great C, a reliable backup PF and a great SF. And Chicago gets the superstar that they've been looking for. What do you guys think about this?
hell no. deng isnt worth giving up picks, especially lottery bound in that trade and now that trade just clouded up the 4 and 5.....again
Another 4 team blockbuster!!! Denver gets: Deng J. Taylor Jeffries A. Johnson Chicago gets: Carmelo 3.6 mil. TE for Noah Phillie gets: Battier Hill Gibson Houston gets: Iguodala Noah J. Smith Distribute picks and cash as seen fit!! Haters, hate away!!!
I don't think we signed Miller to a 'big' contract, just for playing 'bench-mentor' ... if we need a mentor I'd rather give Deke a new contract. :grin:
Would you all do a trade for G. Arenas? Wash gets: J.Jeffries A.Brooks J. Hill S. Battier Houston gets: Gil Arenas A. Blatche Wash does this to get rid of Arenas contract and get all expiring contracts for next year. Get good Solid players to resign in AB/hill and great leader in the locker in Battier - to help change the culture and view of the franchise. I am thinking they would be valuing high character players at the moment. Houston does this to get a Semi all star in Arenas (if healthy). An up and coming PF (blatche) to back Scola. At times Arenas can slide to the SG spot and Lee can Play SF and chase can step up to cover for Battier's departure. Aldeman can play Arenas and Lowry together for more speed. We will have a crazy fast team with good size. Pg: Arenas/Lowry/Smith Sg: Kmart/Lee/Arenas/Taylor SF: Bud/Lee/Johnson/Harris PF: Scola/Batche/Patterson C: Yao/Miller/Hayes
I dont comment much on here, but that trade is insane. There is no way Morey would ever do something so stupid. Trade away our future for a gun waving scrub????
Arenas? We might as well trade for Tmac, at least that way we don't have to worry about him trying to shoot our remaining players.
Having $25 mil+ a year locked up in Noah and Deng is kind of scary. But how else are you going to get an elite big man? And Deng is not bad as a player. If the Rockets can manage to pry, say, Nene away without taking on a burdensome Deng-like contract, I am all for it, but that'll be hard.
Since when did Noah become an elite big man? What I have seen of him he just picks up the scraps or what the Guards give him! I think he is being made into something that he isn't Last season 14.8pts a game & 13 rebounds
Through the draft, I suppose? The Rockets just got their hands on Jordan Hill (like Noah, a "bottom half of the top 10" pick) and Patrick Patterson (admittedly ranked #6 overall on the Rockets' draft board). Plus, the jury's still out on whether Noah is "elite" or whether he just had a good year rebounding the ball statistically last season. As for Nene, I actually really like him as a player. He's the very rare combination of size, strength and quickness. Honestly, I don't see many (if any) other big men with his combination of skills. Unfortunately, dude is so injury-prone. I do think his current contract is reasonable for his skillset, but it would be very difficult to (a) match salaries for both him and Melo and (b) add him to a roster that already has Yao and Scola. He's on my short-list, though, of big men from other teams who I'd like to have on the Rockets.
A few thoughts: 1. Noah's rebounding rate is not a fluke. His offensive rebouding rate was actually slightly higher in 08/09. I think might have eaten up some rebounds that Brad Miller wasn't getting last season, but the guy is a good rebounder. 2. I think Noah is pretty "elite"-- or more specifically, he'll help you win and it's hard to find someone like him. What Noah has: a combination of size, quickness, nose for rebounds, ability to contest shots/play help D, and the ability to get garbage baskets, don't grow on trees. Yes, the Rockets did get Hill and Patterson, but these guys but what chances do these guys really have to be Noah-like? Noah played C pretty well for the Bulls, Hill struggled playing C in the summer league. Patterson is not quite Noah's size and I'm not sure he can be the rim protector that Noah is judging by his college performance. And by the way, the Rockets got these two mid/late lotto picks under fairly flukey circumstances. 3. Nene: As I've said elsewhere, I'd take this guy by himself, not even as a part of a Carmelo Anthony package. Same with Billups. We can figure out how he fits with Yao and Scola (and Miller) later. Given Yao and Nene's injury history, there probably will be enough minutes for everybody to contribute.
I agree to a point, but if you're not going to have a stuper star type lineup, might as well have 5 good starters and rookie and mid level players on the bench like the Pistons had a few years ago. Personally, I'd rather have deng than martin anyway. If the bulls was willing to do a straight swap, i would do it because at least I've seen deng show up in the playoffs and be consistent. Kevin martin is effecient, but how does that translate in the playoffs when shot making is at a premium?
I agree with you on noah. He is one of the best pick in roll defenders in the league because of his athleticism. He can help and then recover to his man in balance. He's a really good rebounder and finisher. The only problem with a guy like him is his value in monetary terms. I mean, he's more skilled than ben wallace, but he is a kinda energy guy of sorts. If your team is constructed properly, he is very,very valuable as a player.
