How bout Jordan Hill + Shane Battier + One of our future draft picks for Oden + Rudy Fernandez http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2aqlcd6 Portland seemed to be really high on Battier and wants a draft pick in return with dumping Rudy. I think Oden would be a perfect backup Center to Yao. Rockets Lineup Brooks/Lowry Martin/Fernandez Ariza/Budinger Scola/Miller/Patterson Yao/Oden/Hayes Also we still have Jeffries, Hayes and some assets like Budinger or Ariza to make a play at Iguodala, Granger, or some other unknown player. Portland Lineup Miller/Bayless Roy/Matthews Batum/Battier Aldridge/Hill Camby/Pryzbilla That lineup will still get you into the playoffs and contend.
As a backup, he won't have to play that many minutes and I would much rather have him thant the "hidden potential" of Jordan Hill. Battier is a sweetner to get back Fernandez.
Portland isn't trading Oden unless they're getting a superstar in return for a package including Oden. I'm not saying that's logical. But that's likely where they stand. I also think people greatly overestimate Jordan Hill's market value around the league. Despite him being ranked highly in most mock drafts in 2009, many people thought the Knicks overshot for Hill at #8. Sure, he's a nice young player. But he's not quite the "high lottery talent" that gets other teams excited. Frankly, I hope that Hill can be packaged with some larger contracts for another star player. I just don't ever see him being more than a decent backup big man. Patrick Patterson can fill that role just fine and, in fact, might quickly become a better player than Hill altogether. The Hill/Ariza/Jeffries package allegedly being offered to Philly for Iguodala is the sort of package the Rockets should be looking to move (although I do like Ariza and would only deal him in a package for a SF upgrade on a lucrative long-term deal, like Iguodala).
How bout Jeffries + Hill + Ariza + Taylor for Iggy + Speights Brooks/Lowry Martin/Budinger Iguodala/Battier Scola/Miller/Hayes Yao/Speights
If Philly's balking at Ariza/Hill/Jeffries for Iguodala/Smith, I doubt they'd be willing to give up Speights (instead of the relatively inconsequential Smith) just for the addition of Jermaine Taylor. I think it would still be some variation of the original trade, maybe with the Rockets also offering up a future pick.
Okay, here's a random trade proposal: Would you be willing to trade Jordan Hill to the New Jersey Nets for their 2011 first round pick? If so, what level of protection would you be willing to live with? Top-5? Top-8? Keep in mind, the Rockets save $5.34M next season in salary and tax with this deal. They also have Patrick Patterson, who (with Brad Miller in the fold) will be playing the same role as Hill on next season's team. New Jersey is thin at the PF position. Sure, they have Derrick Favors, but he is RAW. The only other PF on the roster is Kris Humphries, who isn't exactly tearing up the league. The Nets might actually be interested in Hill as another member of their young big man rotation. I'm not saying that I wouldn't first try to use Hill in a package to acquire a star player. Rather, I'm just trying to "think outside the box" regarding other alternatives for Hill, who I personally do not see as a part of the Rockets' long-term plans.
How bout Jordan Hill + Taylor for Courtney Lee? Brooks/Lowry Martin/Lee Ariza/Battier/Budinger Scola/Patterson/Hayes Yao/Miller
IDK, maybe yu are selling Hill alittle short. IMO, from what i've seen, he would make a better PF than a center now. Also, i would like to get your opinion on my Memphis trade proposal.
I agree that Hill is more of a PF than a C. But so is Patterson, who I think is simply a better player overall. Hence, Hill (IMHO) is the redundancy who should be used to upgrade in other areas, including in the "future assets" department. As for your Memphis trade, I don't think I'd do it if I were Morey. It remains to be seen whether Henry will be much better than Chase; and there are just too many question marks about Thabeet to want to give up Brooks, Hill AND a pick. I say no.
I don't think so. He scored farely well in this years summer league. He was just getting pushed around a little bit. Although i agree, he is somewhat a valuable asset becuse i too feel that Patterson will be a better player in the long run, but i say play him at PF if nothing else.
I doubt the Nets would give up a high (or even moderately high) pick for Hill at this point. As you said, Hill showed he can be a decent backup "energy" big who comes in to get some rebounds and dunks. Might even average a double-double given enough minutes. But given the state of the Nets, they should keep their pick and see if they can get lucky and land a star player in the draft. I also don't think a "star" trade will materialize until the season gets underway (do not necessarily have to wait until the deadline, but some games will have to be played). I think Cuban smelled that and went ahead and traded the non-guaranteed Dampier contract and I am thinking the Rockets probably more or less have the same expectation. Not that they won't try to get a trade now, it's just hard to find a partner at this point. So my guess is that we'll get a chance to see Hill play some more minutes as a Rocket before his fate is determined.
Even with his contract situation? You can only stall with the wait-and-see approach for so long before you're forced to make a decision. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just haven't read or seen anything that indicates where Rich Cho might stand regarding Oden's future. Obviously, it's no secret the dude can play and for that reason he should be inclined to keep him. At the same time, we're talking about a guy that's played in 82 games in three years, somebody that's owed a decent chunk of change, has well-documented durability issues and is due for a payday soon -- I don't think the idea of a change in direction should be completely ruled out. In any event, you and I seem to share the same opinion regarding Hill. I like Hill and definitely think he could help out, but I fully agree that: 1) He's destined to be a PF in this league and 2) Patterson is a better overall player at the moment. With Patterson in the picture, Miller's dubious acquisition and others in the fold it really seems Hill could end up being the odd man out which I feel is even added motivation to deal him. His trade value seems to be a little hard to gauge, but overall you still get the vibe that his status as a lottery pick (regardless of whether some felt the Knicks were reaching or not) seems justified and he possesses the tools necessary to succeed in this league. I think others see that and will likely consider him sufficient for the "young talent with upside" requirement you see anymore with big trades should we elect to pursue that road (i.e. Iguodala). Barring injuries, I just can't see where he gets consistent minutes within our rotation. I'm not a fan of the idea of keeping a top 10 lottery pick around for depth purposes. The longer he doesn't play, the older that player gets and the less attention he's drawing means his trade value is only diminishing. If we can't play him we might as well look to move him in a bigger deal.
Swap out ariza for battier and I'd second this. Sure Battier's intangibles are nice but we got to build on a young foundation, especially when one of our trans' biggest issues is staying healthy.
lol, hey if they can take turns being injured and not be injured during the same time we would be woohoo....lol
Trevor Ariza + Jordan Hill for Rudy Gay + 2011 1st round pick Memphis gets a veteran SF w/ long term deal to replace more expensive Gay, and they also get cheap 4-year promising PF to replace Randolph when his contract expires at seasons end. This would allow the cheaper Mayo to take more shots, score more points, and sell more jerseys. Houston gets an electrifying wing player while keeping the veteran defensive minded Battier as a backup. Sadly I don't think this one will be happening.
I don't think it works for either team. Re-signing Gay was a big deal for Memphis, and they would want a more offensive-minded player and a bigger name than Ariza. Giving up a first-rounder along with Gay is way too much for just Ariza and Hill. And I don't think Houston believes Gay to be worth his huge new contract. Plus, concerns about Kevin Martin's defense pales in comparison to concerns about Gay's.
Ariza is the largest part of why Philly would do the Iguodala trade in the first place. And they're STILL not anxious to do that deal. You want to swap out a 24-year-old SF for an aging SF (albeit a great locker room guy) and expect the Sixers to then say "Yes"? I don't get that.
