I've come up with two trades: [rquoter]Sacramento Kings/ Houston Rockets: Rockets receive: 7th overall pick (PF/C Bismack Biyombo), SF Omar Casspi, C Hassan Whiteside. Kings receive: PG Goran Dragic, 23rd pick (SF Tyler Honeycutt), PF/C Jordan Hill, C Brad Miller[/rquoter] [rquoter]Minnesota Timberwolves/ Houston Rockets: Rockets receive: 2nd overall pick (C Enes Kanter or SF/PF Derrick Williams), PG Jonny Flynn, SF Martell Webster. Wolves receive: SG Kevin Martin[/rquoter]
The Kings will not give up so much for Goran and trash. Yeah, he made a triple double, but he sucked most of last season in Phoenix so I do not think he has #7 pick value. They would probably rather trade for Raymond Felton, another talented PG stuck as backup, but has proved himself as a good starter already. I do not really see the Kevin Martin for #2 (plus filler lol) trade happening either. I remember reading somewhere that Timberwolves could have traded for Kevin Martin last season instead of Rockets, but thought he was overpaid so said no. They are reportedly looking for a veteran C/PG anyway.
Kevin Martin fills their shooting guard need, and this is a not so loaded draft. Him plus a draft pick or two, or another player (Jordan Hill) should be enough for that pick. Jordan played a little bit of center this season, and if he adds a few more pounds of muscle and gets a prescription for Ritalin, he could be their new center.
I'm just wondering who in the heck is reporting this? ... Did you get this from "worzel gummidge", because I saw him post the same thing, but I don't understand why the wolves would be looking for a veteran C/PG , it makes no sense. I mean from what I understand, Kahn is very high on Milicic and Pekovic, even thinks Milicic is going to be an All-star at some point in his career. He also, according to some reports, has reached an agreement with Rubio, moving Luke Ridnour (veteran PG) to the bench. ----- As far as my trade proposals go.... a lot of things have changed since last years trade deadline. The T-Wolves have since publicly stated that they are ready to compete, and Martin is the best player (overall) they can get in this market for a watered down 2nd overall pick. So IMO I think they would welcome a wing scorer of Martin's caliber to team up with K-Love, Rubio and Beasley. It could be enough to bump them into the playoffs or close to it specially with the demise of older teams like the Spurs and rebuilding teams like the Rockets. As to my second proposal, I agree, I don't think Dragic will be enough for the 7th pick, but we could also include our 14th pick making the package much more desirable. We could also include Brad Miller, who is an old team favorite in Sacramento.
I think Coach Bad Lee posted the article somewhere that Minnesota reportedly wants a veteran PG/C for their pick. It makes sense; Kahn has backtracked from those statements about Darko and knows they need someone better to anchor their terrible defense. I would agree with you that a good shooting guard would make more sense for them than a veteran PG…I think as far as veteran PG, Kahn is envisioning Rubio’s idol Steve Nash to make the team competitive for a year or two while mentoring Rubio until he is ready to start. Rubio is NOT ready to start in the NBA right now. I do not think your Martin for #2 is bad (although with the added pieces you are really pushing it). I just think the Timberwolves could possibly find something better. I think Cavaliers #4 + Anderson Varejao is better for the Timberwolves than Kevin Martin. I think Philadelphia can offer Iguodala, who is a better player than Martin. So maybe it can happen, but maybe not. Timberwolves are the worst defensive team in the league and adding one of the worst defensive players in the league may not appeal to them as much as everyone thinks. Your trade situation for Goran is really, really bad and I am saying this as the #1 fan on the planet of Goran Dragić. It really puzzles me to see Rockets fans think another team will love Brad Miller when you guys hate him so much.
I'm with you -- calling BS on this rumor. I looked for a while last night after worzel gummidge mentioned it, but no where did I see mentioned what type of veteran they would look for. Until I see an actual quote, I'm assuming that was made up.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6123601&postcount=38 I am not saying the rumor is without a doubt true. I am saying it makes sense that could be looking for something other than a shooting guard.
I understand that there are better players available, such as Iggy and possibly Granger. But both of those guys play Small Forward, when Minnesota already has Wes Johnson, SuperCool Beas, and Anthony Randolph. All 3 of those guys are capable of playing small forward, even though Randolph plays more at the 4. There aren't any better shooting guards available. Kevin Martin is their best bet.
Not going after you for it, DG. The article you linked has no direct quotes, just speculation from an already questionable source. I still think SG will be their biggest hole to fill should they field offers for the #2 pick.
Okay sorry guys. I already said the rumor may not be true, but they did report that Timberwolves were shopping their pick before Chad Ford said it, so maybe there could be some truth. Just offering some different perspective that a good defensive C could be of more help to the worst defensive team in the league. Iguodala plays SF for Sixers by the way, but he can play shooting guard too. They could possibly want defense and playmaking from the position more than scoring. Love and Beasley are good scorers already. Anyway, I hope you all get your dream come true for #2 pick, I am not trying to be negative and sincerely hope this for you.
Kahn is...well KAHHHHNNNNNNNNNN so anything is possible. Martin, 2011 14th pick and 2012 1st rd protected NY pick. - TWolves get their SG and 2 mid 1st rd picks to build their team. for #2 and Martell Webster - Rox get their franchise guy or precieved franchise guy and take on salary in a decent bench guy. I also like this deal... Martin, 14th pick, 33rd pick and JHill - Cavs depsertaly need scoring and Kevin can provide them that. They drop ten spots and get an extra 2nd...they need players and are known to want as many picks as possible. JHill gives them much needed size and someone else to develop. for #4 pick - Rox will probably use this pick on Kanter and their franchise center of the future.
If the Jazz are set to take Knight at the third pick -- as so many assume -- I wonder two things: how badly would they want to move Devin Harris and how badly would a team like Sacramento like to get Devin Harris. Personally I've bought into a couple of things that have been tossed around the bbs: 1) we need to sell high on Kevin Martin and 2) Bismack Biyombo is going to be a impactfull NBA player now and for a long time. If Utah has Knight, then Harris is redundant and they still have a huge hole at the 2. I think they would definitely be willing to give up the 12th pick and perhaps more in order to swap Harris with Martin. The Rockets could then send Harris along with someone like Buddhinger (Sac is very weak at SF by the way) or a later 1st rounder in order to get the 7th pick and take the Bismack. They also might be able to convince the Kings to take some of their unwanted front court contracts off their hands as part of the deal (I'm looking at you Thabeet, Miller and Hill).
This trade is probably the Rockets' best chance at a Center. Some people will think I'm an idiot for this proposal, but it has a chance to pay off nicely. Thanks to trades exceptions from Carmelo and Shane, the salary matches perfectly, and the Rockets save some cap room. I'm not a capologist, so can anyone tell me what happens to Denver if they get the 3.5 mil trade exception with Scola? Does it cut his salary in half, or go strictly towards the salary cap? Anyways, the Nuggets have Kenyon Martin coming off the books next season, and Scola would be an upgrade at a reasonable price. With K Mart and Scola next season, Al Harrington could permanently play SF, backing up Gallinari. There is no guarantee that Wilson Chandler will re-sign with the Nuggets. The Nuggets still have Nene and Birdman at C, so losing Mozgov will not hurt them. Mozgov showed showed flashes when given real minutes, and I think he can be our version of Omer Osik. What do y'all think? Mozgov could be a legit Center, and he doesn't have a nasty contract. We lose Scola, but that gives more minutes to Patterson, and lets Chuck play PF again as well.
Does anyone actually read these anymore? Anyways, here's my idea. Houston Trades to San Antonio: Luis Scola Houston Trades to Minnesota: Hasheem Thabeet and 2015 Second Round Pick from LA Clippers. San Antonio Trades to Houston: Tiago Splitter and Antonio McDyess San Antonio Trades to Minnesota: George Hill Minnesota Trades to Houston: Either 2nd pick for 2011 draft or if they don't trade this season's pick then the Utah Jazz first of 2012. Minnesota Trades to San Antonio: Johnny Flynn Breakdown: Houston gets Tiago Splitter, Antonio McDyess, Minnesota 1st San Antonio gets Luis Scola, Johnny Flynn Minnesota gets George Hill, Hasheem Thabeet, Clippers 2nd This would also free up Luke Ridnour to be traded such as maybe Luke to Memphis for Mayo whom they won't particularly need when Rudy Gay returns. Scoff all you want but Ridnour would help the Grizz's bench quite a bit assuming Gay returns to form. So, we would get a solid chance at a future Center in Splitter along with a high draft pick while moving an aging player freeing up playing time at the 4 position. I feel that Splitter has the skills to someday soon possibly be better than Deandre Jordan is now. What do you think?
the kings would only want SCOLA or LOWRY and its safe to assume that Lowry is more likely to stay Lowry/Flynn Lee/ Webster WILLIAMS/Casspi/C-Bud Patterson/Biyombo/Hayes Whiteside/YAO/Miller We would still have to get another BIG...Dalembert maybe NOT BAD
Let's go crazy with this years draft class: Trade 1: Lowry, Martin, Scola, and #14 for Beasley, Rubio, and #2 (Kanter) Trade 2: Dragic, Lee, Patterson, Miller, and #23 for Garcia and #7 (Biyombo) Depth Chart: Rubio/Llull TWill/Budinger Beasley/Garcia/Blakely Biyombo/Hayes/Hill/Cousin Kanter/Thabeet/Yao Save Yao for the playoffs (because yes we'd be a playoff team) and continue the youth movement! Anyone down???
I coudn't get these to work on the NBA trade machine, but hey... Kevin Martin + draft pick to Bulls for Joakim Noah. Scola + draft pick to Celtics for Jeff Green and G Avery Bradley. Some Rockets (Asset/Draft pick) plus filler to Jazz for CJ Miles. Yes I am ducking a little. 1-Lowry/Dragic/T-Will 2-CJ Miles/Courtney Lee/Avery Bradley 3-Jeff Green/C-Bud 4-Patterson/Jordan Hill 5-Yao Ming/Joakim Noah/Hasheem Thabeet
Further exploring working a trade with the Kings. The Kings have stated that they want to make the Playoffs next year, we could help our old friends with that. By offering two starter's who are great competitors. Rockets trade: Kyle Lowry and Luis Scola to Sacramento Kings Sacramento trades: 7th overall pick(Kemba Walker), Hassan Whiteside and Omar Casspi to Houston Rockets From Rockets perspective -- We follow the rebuilding theme as well as shed some long term contracts in Lowry and Scola. As well as create playing time for young guys like Patrick Patterson and Jordan Hill with the departure of Scola. We also receive a PG who has star talent, leadership and a very high BBall IQ. From Kings perspective -- adding two veterans on reasonable contracts, at the production level of Lowry and Scola, it could possibly propels them (a long with the development of Cousins) into the playoffs. Which is their main goal going into next season. Along with the maturity of their young guys.
