Dude what are you smoking?? What makes you think that SAC would even think about trading away KMart for Hinrich????
ya.. the Kings are looking for a big man and were rumored in discussions with Samuel Dalembert and Emeka Okafor
There is a new insider article on espn.com about possible Tmac trade suitors. Will someone please post it?
Houston: McGrady Cook Taylor Dorsey for J. Richardson (Scoring wing) Camby (Expiring shotblocking C) R. Lopez (7 ft prospect C) Phoenix: J. Richardson R. Lopez Barbosa for McGrady Taylor Dorsey LAC: Camby for Barbosa Cook Houston: C - Camby, Hayes, Lopez, Yao PF - Scola, Landry, Andersen SF - Ariza, Battier, Harris SG - Richardson, Budinger PG - Brooks, Lowry Sign Wafer/Conroy/Temple/McCants
I told you, it was steddinotayto's idea, I just tried it in the Trade Machine. I know this trade ain't realistic in no way.
I was just thinking about whether the Rockets would entertain a trade where they sacrificed their cap room (which, as you may know, the Rockets won't have as long as Battier, Scola and Lowry are Rockets next season), take on longer-term contracts of decent but over-paid players, and got FUTURE assets out of the deal. Here is one such scenario: New York Knicks get: Tracy McGrady and Joey Dorsey Chicago Bulls get: Al Harrington, Brian Cook and [either Jordan Hill or Nate Robinson] Houston Rockets get: Kirk Hinrich, John Salmons, Jared Jeffries, Bulls' 2010 (lottery protected) first round pick, Knicks' 2012 first round pick (limited protection) Why New York does it: Obviously, they get to dump Jared Jeffries's contract and open up enough cap room to make some serious noise in 2010 free agency and still keep David Lee. Losing Harrington, Hill and the pick may be a steep price to pay, but the Knicks may be getting desperate. If the Knicks don't want to lose Hill, they could send out Nate Robinson (with Nate's consent) instead, since he's in D'Antoni's doghouse and might be looking for a fresh start in Chicago. Why Chicago does it: Like the Knicks, they desperately want to maximize their cap room for 2010 (hence, not re-signing Ben Gordon last summer). They reluctantly dump Hinrich, whose contract is more of an impediment to the Bulls than his nice production on the floor. They also dump Salmons, whose ETO for 2010-11 (at a respectable $5.8M) is hanging over the Bulls' heads, not knowing exactly what their true cap situation will be for 2010. Meanwhile, they get Al Harrington (who they've been rumored to be interested in for some time) without having to give up Tyrus Thomas, and they also add either a young big in Hill or another scorer in Nate. The pick is the sweetener, though. With Harrington in the fold, the Bulls likely sneak into the playoffs, meaning the lottery protection on the pick won't really mean that much. Figure the pick being in the 15-18 range. If, however, the Bulls miss the playoffs, the protection on the pick could drop to something like top-10 protection in 2011, top-6 protection in 2012, and unprotected in 2013. Why Houston does it: The Rockets essentially take one step back (financially in 2011, at least) in order to take two steps forward. They add three players who, while overpaid and not All-Stars, can each add something to this team. Hinrich is the third guard (either as a starter or off the bench) that the Rockets desperately need. Salmons can also add backcourt depth, either as a starting SG or a backup wing. Jeffries could provide some much-needed length on defense used sparingly off the bench (think Chuck Hayes's role for most of the 2008-09 regular season). Sure, they're not world-beaters. But they are useful players. The Rockets will likely be luxury tax payers in 2010-11 (especially if Salmons does not exercise his ETO) but (a) will save a TON of money this season (by getting well under the luxury tax threshold) and (b) will have a slew of expiring contracts to use in trades (Battier, Jeffries, Salmons, Landry, Hayes) if an opportunity arises to get an All-Star (think Chris Paul). Meanwhile, the Rockets get multiple future first round picks to strengthen the pipeline of young talent into the franchise over the next several years. If Morey can get guys like Brooks, Landry and Budinger with late first rounders and second round picks, just think of what he could do with what may be anywhere from mid-first round to high lottery picks. Again, I'm not saying the Morey would do this deal, but it does represent a different approach to getting value for T-Mac's contract. Man, I'm bored . . . is it February 18 yet???
Its fair value and well reasoned, but I think Morey has a definitive strategy he is trying to adhere too and cap space this offseason appears to be non negotiable for him. Just my 2 cents.
You may be right, but I just don't see the Rockets ACTUALLY doing anything significant in free agency this summer. They just don't have enough cap room, regardless of whether or not they just let T-Mac's deal expire. Unless Morey plans on dumping Battier at the 2010 NBA Draft, renouncing his rights to Scola and Lowry, and declining the team option on Hayes, the Rockets just won't have enough cap room to go after the big fish. I could see a scenario, however, where the Rockets combine their cap room with some of their current assets (Brooks, Landry, Budinger, Battier, Ariza, future picks, etc.) in a SIGN-AND-TRADE scenario. Otherwise, though, I don't see any major moves coming in straight-up free agency. Unless you count re-signing Scola and Lowry and then using the MLE to acquire another player.
I keep refreshing the GARM waiting to see a trade, but we have heard absolutely nothing from Morey's camp, not even a rumor. I don't think he is looking for a trade at all. I think he is listening to offers with a smile, taking notes on what every teams wants/needs are, just waiting for an offer to blow him away. If nothing comes, who cares, we still get some space in the offseason, while fielding a competitive team.
Rockets trade: * McGrady (expiring) * Battier * Cook (expiring) => to the Bulls Bulls trade: * Salmons * Deng => to the Wizards * Miller (expiring) => to the Rockets Wizards trade: * Butler * Foye (expiring) => to the Rockets Rockets incoming players: Butler, Foye, Miller Wizards incoming players: Deng and Salmons Bulls incoming players: McGrady, Battier, Cook Let Ariza play Battier's spot with more focus on defense, his points will follow after that. Butler will be the scoring wing and Miller knows Adelman's style of coaching. Foye (expiring) can also play SG and we all know RA likes small players at the guard spots (Brooks-Lowry = Bibby-Bobby Jackson). http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yld5uaq
I think something that might make sense is sending McGrady to Utah for Kirilenko and Boozer, and perhaps a pick (probably Utah's own pick rather than Knicks', but given that Utah is only 17-13 with both Boozer and Kirilenko around, Utah's own pick might well be a lotto pick if this trade happens). Then one can look to flip Boozer to a third team-- maybe packaged along with picks to SAC for Kevin Martin, or to MIA for pick + salary filler, perhaps to CHI for Tyrus Thomas, etc. Kirilenko you got one more year at stupid money-- cost of doing business. He's not a bad player, though, versatile. You can eithe trade him mid next season or you can keep him by signing him back at a more reasonable salary.
I think this trade can be very beneficial to all the teams involved: Rockets outgoing: Tmac, Joey Dorsey Rockets incoming: Brad Miller and Tyrus Thomas Bulls outgoing: John Salmons, Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, Brad Miller Bulls incoming: AK47, Tmac and Joey Dorsey Jazz outgoing: AK47 Jazz incoming: John Salmons and Kirk Hinrich Numbers work. Why for the Rockets: They get a little bit big inside. Miller knows how Adelmen's system works and Miller and Thomas are both expiring. Why for the Bulls: They get a scorer with Tmac. Help inside with Dorsey. AK47 can do almost anything Thomas can do. The most important reasons, both AK47 and Tmac have huge expiring contracts Why for the Jazz: Get a decent scorer in Salmons and finally get a good backup PG in Kirk Hinrich.
LMFAO you're going to post a trade proposal and add in a trade machine screen capture on said trade proposal that you don't even like?? Why is it so far fetched? You got monkeys on here wanting to trade McGrady for Bosh/Paul/Wade and my trade is ludicrous? Please. 1. What good is Kevin Martin to a team that is, apparently evident, ready to build around Tyreke Evans and Jason Thompson? Tack on the fact that Omri Casspi has been a gem of a find for them and we can't forget Donte Greene (if he ever pans out). Do they really need an all offense / no defense guy in the rotation? Evans is more than capable as a primary scorer and he actually shares the ball whereas KMartin has shown nothing of the ilk. 2. The Kings get out of Martin's contract by taking on a smaller/shorter contract. Hinrich's contract is front loaded and the last season of his contract goes down to 8 million. In theory, taking on Hinrich's contract saves the Kings about 2 million next season, and at least 4 million the season after that. Then Kirk's off their books whereas, if they keep Martin, he's owed ANOTHER 12 million in his final year. I doubt that is the time Sac-Town wants to have that kind of cap hit when they would need to give Evans/Thompson extensions. 3. Why can't Hinrich fit in with the Kings system? I'm not denying that Martin is a better player than Hinrich but Hinrich gives them a starting point guard that can fit with Evans. You have those two in the back court and your perimeter/guard defense is a lot better than a Martin/Evans duo. Who's their point guard now? Evans has the ball but then you have Beno Udrih (BENO UDRIH!) as your back up. The Kings, once they get Garcia back, are a deep team. Sure, they can keep Martin and see how that pans out (it wouldn't be bad at all) but to afford the flexibility in re-signing / giving extensions out to the young core they have now, they need to get rid of long term deals. Hawes Thompson Garcia/Nocioni Evans/Greene Hinrich/Udrih That team not only looks more balanced but will have cap flexibility in the long run. Hell, I worked a way for the Kings to get Tyrus Thomas too if you want me to make it "fairer"
Again the Kings are looking for a big man for a defensive presence , not another PG... They are interested in Dalembert and Okafor.. not Hinrich.. hell they already have Udrih who is putting up better numbers than Hinrich!
I can respect your opinion because you actually tell me some information that is of use (i.e. the Kings looking for a center). I honestly thought they gave that dream up a long time ago.
One possibility is this: Rockets send McGrady to Chicago Chicago sends Salmons to Houston, B. Miller to New Orleans New Orleans sends Okafor to SAC, Songaila to Houston SAC sends Kevin Martin to Houston. Basically, Rockets gets Kevin Martin, plus two not so bad non-expring contracts (both ending 2011). Chicago gets McGrady and rid itself of Salmon's player option for more cap space. New Orleans relief itself of both short term and long term salary (they were willing to dump Chandler for expiring last year, so may be willing to dump Okafor for an expiring Miller this year, too, if they continue to mire below .500) while keeping the Paul/West core going. Sacramento gets a very good defensive big man for Kevin Martin at roughly the same price.
