Nick, arguing with this guy is a waste of time. If he can't read it in a boxscore he doesn't believe its true.
You're making a stupid argument and you know it. Sales are no indication of quality, but they are an indication of popularity. They tell us that Usher is the most popular artist, not the most talented. Thanks for the silly red herring.
After watching Vick amaze, AGAIN in the playoffs - it boggles my mind how people can call him overrated. Watch what he does to the linebackers on the other team - he completely freezes them - opening up holes for Duckett and Dunn. By the way - don't think Vick affected the offense? 2003 Atlanta : 435 attempts(19), 1949yds(14), 4.48 ypc(8), 17 TDs(7) Not a bad rushing offense, but not great. 2004 Atlanta : 524 attempts(6), 2672 yds(1st), 5.10 ypc(1st) 20 TDs(3rd) Add Vick -> best rushing offense in the game.
I still can't understand why so many people were riding the Rams jocks and saying they were going to win last night. They were an 8-8 team for a reason; there are NOT that same team that beat the Titans in the 2000 Super Bowl.
Whenever you win 3 in a row in this league, you become the "flavor of the month." (see Minnesota at the start of the season, and GB in the middle of the season). Also, everybody had forgotten how good Atlanta and Philly were because they were playing their scrubs the last couple of weeks of the season, and they had last week off... basically, momentum in this league is nothing compared to some rest and home field advantage.
i called him overrated. it was me. i stand by it. overrated if you're comparing him next to guys with names like culpepper, manning, favre, brady, mcnabb. i don't think he's a pro bowler, despite the game he had on the ground saturday night. i talked about this with RM95 yesterday. at the end of the day, we're celebrating a QB with 200 total yards as if he's the savior of the position. i wouldn't put him anywhere near the guys i listed above. i do not think he's as good as his hype.
29:14 this season. 27:47 last season. 36% 3rd down conversion rate this season. 30% 3rd down conversion rate last season.
No. However, the biggest difference between those two teams is a healthy Vick, he deserves a lot of the credit.
he's a good QB. no doubt about it. i'm not ready to call him a great QB...or put him up there with the other guys i mentioned. the model for this is Randall Cunningham, who by the way, had one season where he ran for over 900 yards while passing for over 3400...in an era when DB's could actually defend receivers and not everyone threw for 3000+ yards. his QB rating was around 92 or so that year. and it's not sustainable...randall was an extremely accurate passer and became a very, very good drop-back passer as he got older. but you can't keep running your QB around like he's playing high school football in the NFL. the defenseive linemen are too big and too fast, particularly on the ends. cunningham missed the entire season the next year and was never the same again. by contrast...vick ran for less than 900 yards and threw for about 2300 with a passer rating around 78. yet, he's "revolutionizing the position." i don't buy it. it's oversold. it's too much. good? yes. great? no.
i'm listening to a guy right now on 610 saying Vick is a better all-around QB than Peyton Manning. this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about! EDIT: before he could hang up..he just sayed Vick is a better all around QB than Marino was. right.
I'm not sure if anything he does will impress you I mean if the Falcons beat the Eagles will he deserve the hype then? Or does he have to pass for four TDs? Or will he have to win the Super Bowl? The fact that the Falcons are winning with a quarterback who is a much better runner than passer says a lot, his success might make a guy like Vince Young a hot commodity at QUARTERBACK.
wait...i never said he didn't impress me ever. i said he's not among the greats...and apparently saying this means everyone else thinks that i think he sucks. it's been done before...and it was done a lot better by Randall Cunningham. and it wasn't sustainable. when he holds on to the ball, he's hugely dangerous, no doubt. he turns the ball over more than any player in the NFL...but when he protects it, they're fine. does he have to pass for four TD's to be the best?? no. does he need to be capable of it?? yes. so far he's nowhere close. he finished with 14TD's in 16 games. he hasn't exactly shown a lot in that category. look...crown him whatever you want to crown him with. everyone's entitled to their opinion. in mine, he's overrated.
If Vick beats the Eagles and NE/Pittsburg it would have to go down as the most remarkable individual feet in the NFL that I have seen in the 25+ years I have watched it. Granted as much as I would like to see it, I don't. The most dominating individual football player I have seen was John Elway in his prime. And even he couldn't win a Super Bowl when his opponents had the better supporting casts. I don't think there is any doubt Vick is one of the best 4 QBs (somewhere with Brady/Manning/McNabb--order still to be determined). If he had a cast like Culpepper does his team would be unstoppable. Further you can't just evaluate his stats. Culpepper has much better stats, but come on, he is much more mistake prone in the big games and is far easier to handle with schemes. Vick running threat and scrambling changes the whole defensive focus and opens it up for other players. I am sure any DC would tell you his impact cannot just be measured through throwing and runnning yardage or traditional QB ratings. The only way Vick might be overrated is if people say he is hands down the best player in the league. Yet, he still might be.
