If Gore loses, it will not be because of Ralph Nader. It will be due to the fact that Al Gore has run one of the most inept Presidential campaigns in years. That being said, I do know this: If Clinton were allowed to run for a 3rd term (and believe me, if he were allowed to run, he would run), Clinton would slice, dice & trounce Dubya by a landslide, even with Little Bill hanging out of the front of his pants and Monica on her knees on the stage at the Democratic Convention! Republicans should thank their lucky stars that the President of the United States is only allowed to serve two terms. It's the only reason you have a strong chance of winning the White House on November 7th! ------------------ I am the b*stard son of LHutz. Huh? Right!
ouch madmax. I guess I need to put in more smiley faces when I discuss something. I hope I can convince you guys that in person my words don't sound as dry (and perhaps accusingly?) as the text reads. Also, I play alot with ideas, and distinguish myself from my argument(s)... when I do that, I have no emotional attachment to my argument, whereas other people might think I have belief 'x'. I'm still trying to find out which post of mine was inflammatory... it's not like I was actually arguing that you guys shouldn't vote for the arena. Quite the contrary... I'm a pragmatist... if you guys don't do it, someone else will. I was just saying if you do vote for the arena, then... ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
Achebe, Your inflammatory content was basically calling Jeff a hypocrite. I was merely pointing out the flawed logic in doing so. Nothing personal. I still do not undertsand how you can equate the rockets wanting an arena to Phillip Morris bribing politicians to help them "ease the pain" of anti-tobacco legislation, etc. ------------------ EZLN
rimbaud, flawed logic? I said that I thought that two positions seemed exclusive to me. Someone, anyone, that is tired of corporate welfare and might vote for Nader because of it would seem to be also against the arena. Is that not the case? Can a 'grass root' organization be used to help a billion dollar owner, who oversees the contracts of 12 players that account for a $40M plus payroll? I personally support the arena. My words weren't meant as an attack, merely a call to pragmatism. If someone is going to vote for the arena (if Houston doesn't pay for it, Baltimore will), then we should question ourselves if corporations ever have a positive influence on political life. Our corporations always the evil that they are played out to be? I'm going to have to stop while I'm ahead, I keep going down a path where I have to see if I can really defend corporate welfare, and each time it seems like bigger b.s.. I guess, maybe the arena deal is wrong. Who knows? Who cares. We all vote for ourselves regardless of whether or not it is consistent with any of our other views. I'll vote for Gore even though I don't particularly like him. My mom will vote for Bush even though he lied under oath and was a cocaine fiend. All I wanted was for people to vote for Gore. *sniff sniff*. ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
I personally support the arena. My words weren't meant as an attack, merely a call to pragmatism. To be honest, Achebe, this deal is pragmatic. I don't really care for the idea of subsidising rich people but better to do it and use their $105 million than let them go and build it without their investment. When the Oilers left, we let their $80 million go along with the possibility of a $240 million stadium. Instead, we are spending over $300 million. Is that really pragmatic? The city wants a new arena and will build one with or without the Rockets at some point. Better to take their money and use it to help the situation. How about this scenario... What about funding for the arts? Musicians and artists profit by public subsidy all the time. The city routinely subsidises artistic projects and venues. Isn't that artistic welfare? As a musician, I'm fine with it, but using your illustration, isn't this the same type of thing. Musicians make their paychecks (and dancers, and artists) from city funding and from patrons as well. Is that really a good use of tax dollars? Being pragmatic would mean not spending ANY dollars on anything that wasn't absolutely necessary for survival. If that is your choice, ok, but it sure makes for a crappy way to live. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Achebe -- What?? When did George W. Bush lie under oath??? You're going to have to help me with that one. ------------------
During the whole funeralgate here that for some reason the liberal press isn't reporting. I don't know everything, I don't have the article, but he said under oath that he didn't have a conversation with an individual, but it came out that they had spoken about something relevant to the case, now the Bush people are saying that they did speak, it just wasn't a conversation. Kinda like oral sex isn't really sex. Seriously, I don't know all the specifics, I just remember that part. ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of yourself and umption. visit www.swirve.com
I have said it many times - a lot of politicians have lied under oath and not faced any penalties. I had not heard about Bush, though. That is pretty funny, "We talked, but it was not a "conversation." See, Clinton really is Bush's hero. Bush is the second coming! Gore is the Anti-Clinton. He couldn't lie to save face, everyone would see through it. Achebe worships the Anti-Clinton. ------------------ EZLN
Have you seen the SNL skit where Clinton was talking about all the candidates during the primary season? He talked bad about all of them, then when he started talking about Bush, he slowly got this big smile on his face and ended with "I like this guy, I'm voting for him!!!" ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of yourself and umption. visit www.swirve.com
Nader and his supporters are cutting off their nose to spite their face. I can respect them wanting to reach the 5% to get funding for the 2004 election BUT the only way the Green Party will be able to compete at all is if the McCain-Feingold campaign reform bill is passed. Gore said that is the first bill he would sign. Bush is 100% opposed to it.
MadMax, rimbaud, et al.: http://www.auschron.com/issues/dispatch/2000-10-27/pols_naked6.html ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of yourself and umption. visit www.swirve.com
Well, it's good there is a potential scandal for a Bush Presidency. I'd hate to see all those Special Prosecutors lose their jobs simply because our President doesn't have anything about him that needs to be investigated for the next eight years and beyond. Of course, even if there weren't anything, someone would make something up. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
I thought they stopped the independent counsels. ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of yourself and umption. visit www.swirve.com
