Rafer isn't that bad ?

Co-sign Now if someone said rafer is better than 50% of the league's pg's, then that makes more sense, than saying he's in the top10 like others have said...I believe he's in the 15-20 position

 

now that is an old yet false statement.

 

and that could be a logical arguement also...l

but Champ Calibur..........IF....If Jason kidd played for the rockets, there is no way he could do a worst job than Alston...

 

who cares about head to head stats with each other? It's irrelevant. You want to trade for the 94 Kenny? It's kinda hard to do, buddy. Oh you want a current version of him? Not too many pgs are defensive sieves like Kenny was. Steve Nash, but I don't think we're getting Steve Nash either, unless you want to argue that also. Nash also kinda owns Kenny on pretty much everything else, like having a pair of cajones.

Kenny got owned by almost every pg in the NBA back then. Hakeem had to cover up alot of his screwups on D.

dude, you really didn't follow the rockets back then did you? it's pretty transparent.

I am Pwning you like KJ did to Kenny back then.

 

What are our options? Trade Battier, expiring contracts and draft picks and tell me what upgrade at the point that is out there would offset the loss of Battier and the draft pick. The only thing I can think of is trying to move McGrady for Baron Davis, but he has all of the issues McGrady does with a huge contract looming, injury history and being worn down. I also don't think he's as good as McGrady. Who has an abundance of point guards...Toronto? I don't TJ Ford is as good as Rafer, but I doubt the Raptors would trade him, or Calderon for what Houston has to offer. Would you move Landry to get a better point and would there be a market for him? Would Beno Udrich play here on a mid-level contract with no guarantee to start? Is he even better than what we already have? I'm working with you, DD. If this is anything but a Rafer bashing, attention grabbing, or V-Span pimping thread then I want to know what you think that the Rockets can do about their point guard production this off-season? They've brought in a draft pick, two by trade and a free agent pick up in the last year. It's not like the Rockets are ignoring this issue.

 

If Jason Kidd played for the Mavs, there's no way he could do a worse job than Dev....... oh, wait..... nevermind.

 

This is true but it would still make him an ABOVE average player. Its not him its the team. As much as everyone loves Scola he would also be closer to the bottom ranks of starting PF's. Do we need to upgrade him?

...And are you serious when you say that you think the rockets have enough to win it all just by upgrading at PG? The only way i see that happening is if we get a star (and i don't mean calderon level when i say that).

WE ARE NOT ONE DECENT PLAYER AWAY. Rafer is not the one that's below average its the other BENCH players who are below average.

 

He's been like that for a while now. It's why I don't really pay any attention to his rants anymore. Honestly, I don't why so many others still do. Do post counts now lend credence to opinions or something?

 

Rafer is problematic. He's mediocre. Any guard that averages .383 shooting is a problem. What's interesting is that his numbers didn't change all that much from last season to the one that just ended. Rafer is not a natural fit for Adelman's offense.

The Rockets still have some roster issues, but the glaring problem is at the point guard spot. If they can't take care of that this off season they had better remember to pass the ball next season.

 

I suggest praying that Brooks develops into a starter and Francis can play solid backup minutes off the bench. If that doesn't work out maybe the Rockets can score some foreign talent that's been overlooked.

If none of that works out if the Rockets remember to move the ball they can mitigate some of Rafer's weaknesses.

But the best case scenario is that the Rockets somehow luck into a genuine PG.

 

but devin harris would do a better job than Rafer also...

 

That was a great post.

I personally think we have other glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed before Rafer and they can be more easily addressed than trying to find a new starting PG. We play well and usually win when Rafer plays well. That means for us to win Rafer has to be our 3rd best player... score a lot and shoot at a hight % among other things pg's do. AKA being consistent. The problem is Rafer is not consistent because he is not a STAR! The difference between a roleplayer and a star is consistency. Star PG's don't grow on trees and they're very coveted.

With Yao out the majority of the season this past season Rafer was usually our 2nd best player. By adding another legit 3rd scoring option whether it's another athletic swingman (more readily available than pure PG's) who can create his own shot or a dominant 4 (who we actually have the pieces to obtain possibly) those would be easier things to do in my opinion than replacing Rafer for this "stud" pg everyone covets.

The point is we need to add a 3rd star and that player is more than likely NOT going to be a PG. However, if we add that 3rd scorer I mentioned that can create his own shot and score on a consistent basis ... it puts less of a burden on Rafer so we aren't so dependent on him scoring a lot and shooting high percentages.

 

And to get a player like Devin Harris we'd probably have to give up Scola, Brooks and a 1st rounder just to get the Nets attention.

 

I'm in the "Rafer isn't that bad" camp. He's pretty much done what's been asked of him and more throughout this and last season. Can't really blame him for being who he is.

And unfortunately, in all likelihood it will take more than what the Rockets can afford to really upgrade the PG spot this offseason, and I'd rather the Rockets use their money/trade pieces to bolster other positions at this point.

IMO, the biggest problem with the PG spot is not Rafer but the fact that the Mike James trade last summer completely backfired. Had we gotten a serviceable PG for Juward Howard in the first place, it wouldn't have cost us Howard AND Bonzi Wells (who could've been used in a trade for another needed piece) to get backup PG Bobby Jackson in the end. And we may have more flexibility in terms of trading to upgrade the PG position right now.

Then again, I thought the Howard for James move was the right one. Shows how much I know.

 

And Luther Head would still be the backup 2-3...