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Rafer Alston vs. Mike James vs. Steve Francis

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 16, 2007.

  1. ind0fo0

    ind0fo0 Member

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    i would say that i would miss giving threads 1-stars because they rant on about pg situation, but i doubt anyone will listen to you. :rolleyes:
     
  2. DudeWah

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    Anyone but rafer
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    and i really think Adleman is being stubborn and other words which i will not mention
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    at least give steve a chance.........
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    its really unfair that we as fans have to put up with this atrocious pg play
     
  3. Zboy

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    [​IMG]

    Yao - "Rafer, you belong there...on the bench."
     
  4. AntiSonic

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    ^^^^ LOL. AWESOME!
     
  5. knickstorm

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    people actually think rafer alston is the reason they lost today?? without him the spurs would've blown it open early in the 3rd.........he made tons of great passes..............we lost cause the fronting defense on Yao forced the ball away from him , and even when he got the ball, he still had 7 to's.
     
  6. aamir

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    Well, I don't think he is "the answer." He's just the best option we have right now. Personally, I'm really liking Jose Calderon for this team (as an attainable PG).

    That said, he was amazing last year in the fourth quarter. Him and Luther were two of the best in the league down the stretch.

    I don't know what happened this year. I didn't think shooting %s this low were possible even for him. Unfortunately, I'm seeing the same from Battier, Bonzi, Luther and MJ.

    As far as being championship caliber... many experts think we are capable...
     
  7. jpsamhyz

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    He missed 4 more tonight. That's 35 on the season. He is 9-44 on wide open 3pt attempts, or 0.205. Doesn't it look more like a NL pitcher's batting average?
     
  8. maw7079

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    Can the Rockets Rowdies or SOMEBODY PLEASE start a RAFER SUCKS chant at the next game. We can do this every game and make it VERY UNCOMFORTABLE for him. Maybe we can hurt his feelings to the point of tears. And HE will demand a trade out of here. Because apparently as long as he's here he WILL be the starter no matter who we bring in... We could bring in MAGIC, John Stockton, Jason AND Steve Nash and somehow Rafer would still start and log ALL of the minutes. I HATE THAT GUY!!! Ship his a$$ out of town. Whose down with starting the RAFER SUX!!! chants at games... We will call our movement the "Trail of Teardrops"
     
  9. jlwee

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    Honestly i dont think any three of them are qualifier starting PG in this league. They have combined age of 100! :D

    Alston - Personally I think is the best starting gurad we have. He is pure ball distributor among 3. Low turnovers guard and decent defender. His main problem is, he simply cant shoot!

    James - Scorer always look for his on shots. Better fit as instant firepower off the bench like Ginobili, Terry, Barbosa. He is SG in PG body. Looks like age is catching up on him. I dont think he is the same player when he was with the rockets 2 seasons ago!

    Francis - Aging fast! Dont think he is our starting PG solution. At this stage of his career, i like dont know he is better than Head or not! I dont mind giving him 10 minutes or so to have a look. Really dont know why Adelman just dont want to play. Maybe yao should voice out like Francis used to protect yao during his rookie year!
     
  10. Turbo

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    I think at this point, we've all seen what Rafer will do behind the wheel and it's scary as hell. I realize that Rick is new in town and all, but we have two season's worth of footage that clearly demonstrates that Rafer has zero offensive game. With this in mind, where is the harm in playing Steve just to see what would happen? Granted, he hasn't appeared to have had the greatest attitude about the situation thus far, but how could he be happy with seeing Alston out there throwing up cringe-inducing bricks and robbing us of what would otherwise be precious scoring possessions?

    Even if there's a small possibility that Francis would be an improvement (and despite his well-documented shortcomings, I think he can at least offer some minor improvement), why not just throw him in there and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out, but at least we would all know. Further, with T-Mac out with an injury for the next few games, isn't there a need to have another body available for use? Of course, we don't see the real story behind the alleged conditioning issues that Steve has been dealing with, but with over a month having gone by since the beginning of training camp you have to believe that those deficiencies have been marginalized slightly by now.

    I just feel that we may never see the end to Rafer's struggles - I've seen it way too many times in the past, which is why I was admittedly excited at the prospect of Steve coming back. I know he's nowhere near the player he once was, but surely the potential is there for him to have a larger contribution to this team than Rafer. Hopefully soon, Adelman will allow us to get to see whether we're right or wrong about Steve.

    -Turbo
     
  11. LikeMike

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    So you want to root against one of our own players, who gives the best he got every night? Yup, that`s real classy...
     
  12. maw7079

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    You have to understand... every poorly shot tear drop and garbage airball which is missed so poorly it does not allow for a chance at an offensive rebound is as good as a turnover. These shots have no chance of going in.
     
  13. maw7079

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    Squash the sarcasm... Dont effin' talk about classy to me... I want a championship, screw classy... its people who think like you that allow Rafer to marinate in this league when he does not have the talent level to succeed. IM TIRED of watching this crack-dork play night after night giving shootin up crap. If the coaches wont do it we should take matters into our own hands.
     
  14. YallMean

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    I thought those three would b**** about PT,but they havent so far. But, us, fans are killing each to make case for one or another, just hallirious. :D
     
  15. LikeMike

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    Well RA is the second coach now who plays him... second good coach. They like what he brings to the table... And it`s not Rafers fault that he can`t play better than that, he is giving all he`s got! The only one you could blame is DM for not acquiring a real good PG, but rather have 4 subpar PGs on the roster.

    As long as any player is wearing the Rockets uniform and playing his heart out on the floor, he will have my support! I may not always like him, I may want him to get benched or even traded, but I will still support him when he is on the court!
     
  16. Yao4REAL

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    Some players play well under pressure and i do not thing Head and Rafer are good at that. I also don't think Tmac play well under pressure. I think yao and Battier d0
     
  17. Tom Bombadillo

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    HaHa, Take it in to our own hands?

    btw, more Steve chants!
     
  18. Puedlfor

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    None of them are starting point guards for a team that expects to advance deep into the playoffs.

    Rafer can't hit the ocean from the beach, and he insists on using that execrable tear drop. That tear drop is unstoppable if you can do it right(see Parker, Tony and Iverson, Allen) but it's a difficult shot to make and if you can't do it right(A.J. Abrams pay attention here too) it's pretty worthless offensively. As an option off the bench Rafer would be tolerable because he's a good passer, a good ball handler and feeds the post pretty well - which is pretty damn critical on a team with Yao Ming. But he should never take more than five shots in a game. Ever.

    Mike James is a better shooter and scorer than Rafer, but a much worse passer and ball handler. He's also a little too selfish on the offensive end and he's not a good enough player to get away with that. I think he's more suited to JVG's offense, which would have him shooting from the perimeter a lot more, and put less pressure on him to pass the ball. He's basically a poor man's Steve Francis, back when Francis was good.

    But Francis isn't good anymore. His knees have steadily gotten worse and he's never learned to play without being a superior athlete. He's not a good passer. He's still clearly more talented than Rafer and James, but he can't get his **** together long enough to dislodge them from the rotation. Dammit man, all you have to do is put your head down - work hard and get into shape and you'll get into the game. And then you can take the offer from which ever team is foolish enough to give you a multi-year deal with their MLE. Look at Bonzi - where do you think he'd rather be? Stuck here taking the second year option on a deal he never wanted to use, or sitting on 35 million dollars from Atlanta and being fat and crazy. That's all you have to do Steve, work hard for this year, and you can then be as crazy as you want.

    In conclusion, none of them are very good. Rafer's inability to shoot will cripple a team in the playoffs, hell - Jason Kidd's inability to shoot always cripples his team and you shouldn't ever put Jason Kidd and Rafer Alston in the same sentence. Unless it's the sentence about not using them in the same sentence. Mike James is worthless when his shot isn't falling. And Francis needs to get his affairs in order, because he's blowing his second shot at big, guaranteed money. Given a mediocre alternative to any of them, I'd take it in a minute.
     
  19. Tom Bombadillo

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    Have you seen Steve play this year? Thats what I thought.......
     
  20. Zboy

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    Take maw7079 very seriously.

    Member since 2002. Less than 60 posts and all of a sudden he starts going berserk.

    The man just could not hold it in any longer.

    Cant blame the poor soul either.
     

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