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Rafer Alston - Horrible in FG % and 3 PT FG % among PGs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Nov 27, 2008.

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  1. smoothie

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    historically rafer has shot a similar FG% to 3pt%, as well as shooting around 35% from 3 which is not bad. given those facts its better for him to remain on the 3pt line that try to drive it in.

    thacabbage is right about rafer being too old to reform his game any. can't teach and old dog right?

    what pisses me off most about rafer is that with all of his quickness and handles, he can't seem to break down the defense. if we only had a pg who could break down the defense and kick it out to an open shooter, or (if we were really lucky) create contact and get to the line.
     
  2. Ikorose

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    Rafer has always been a respectable 3pt shooter. Tony Parker on the other hand is abysmal from out there.

    Besides, Rafer is a career .355 3pt shooter and .385 inside. He might as well continue to launch the 3's since they have the same chance of going in as a layup and it's worth an extra point :D
     
  3. ShiniKashi

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    27+% is respectable?
     
  4. King1

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    This is a good post. Rafer is playing terrible this year, but with the exception of Landry, Brooks and Scola, that goes for our entire team.

    Artest has been brutal on both ends of the floor. He makes hustle plays and gets steals, but he also gets toasted a lot. His defense seems to really be on the decline. There is a noticable difference between what I've seen out of Shane and what I've seen out or Artest so far. Yao has taken a huge step backwards. He just doesn't play aggressive on either end. TMac gives you one good game and then one or two bad ones. Barry has been completely worthless.

    That being said, we're 10-6.
     
  5. Cannonball

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    Tony Parker was a decent shooter inside the arc to begin with. Leading up to that 2005 offseason he was still shooting 45-48% total even with all the brick 3's. Rafer on the other hand . . . . .

    Of course, Rafer jacks up about twice as many 3's as Parker ever did.
     
  6. Cannonball

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    I'd settle for >40%.
     
  7. Seth

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    While i do agree that Alston is not NBA material i say Adelman has a lot of fault in this, look at the FGA average on the Rockets.

    Our first options has been RonRon, a newcomer, coach mistake and it translates very well.

    Ron Artest is number 42 overall in FGA per game and is taking 14.3 attempts per game at a .354 clip, poorly at best.

    Our second offensive weapon is T-Mac.
    Tracy McGrady is 55 overall, averages 12.9 attempts per game at a .407 clip, average at best.

    Our third offensive weapon is Yao, he takes 12.7 shots aat a .516 clip, good.


    Fourth is Alston, Taking 10.4 shots per game at a .359 clip. Lame.

    Fifth comes scola, who is taking 10.0 shots a game nailing .475 of them, good.


    So as you can see i think Adelman has to at leas decrease some PT off Rafer and favor brooks and has to take the ball out of Artest and put it into Scola´s or Yao, as they are the only 2 of our first 5 offensive weapons that nail over 45% of their attempts.

    The coach i think, is in no control of what happens on court, i rarely see a diagram play during a game, is sad.
     
  8. Seth

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    For those talking about a player i would say Devin Harris fits what the rockets need at PG, dynamic, fast and can shoot it, but i think the best option we have is to accquire ben gordon and use him as a PG like Brooks, both live and die by the 3 but at a much more decent rate.
     
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    That is Adleman's offense. No plays. He builds a system during practice that is based on guys getting open and making good passes. It's based upon making the system 2nd nature so guys don't have to think ...they just execute.

    If you draw up plays, it requires players to slow down because all 5 guys have to be in the right position for the play to work.

    The only plays I've seen are out of timeouts esp if the shot clock is running down.

    Several very highly repsected coaches disagree with you about Alston being "NBA material". The dude has been in the league how long? That is proof enough. I'm not suggesting Rafer is upper echelon ...but the dude has clearly proven that he belongs. How many people has Rafer beaten for the starting role of our 55 win team. He's beaten probably beaten ~10 players out for that roster spot the past 5 years or so.
     
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    I can't wait for Francis to crack the rotation and start over Rafer!
     
  11. DaDakota

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    I would settle for him actually taking on the contact instead of contorting his body to avoid it...when he drives to the rim.

    That alone would draw fouls and increase his percentage.

    Rafer sucks.

    DD
     
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    That may only be a pipe dream IMO. Francis hasn't yet proven he can handle the PG duties any better than Rafer when given the chance, and besides, he really is more effective playing as a SG than a PG. As a PG, his decision making needs to improve if he was going to ever supplant Rafer IMO.

    As far as him contributing for the Rockets this season, I'll only believe it when I see it, but I'm not counting on anything from him at this time.
     
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    It amazes me how most of the people here judge basketball talent on numbers alone, while ignoring things that will never show up on a stat sheet, like overall personality and personality presence. How do you, DD especially, know exactly how our players think outside what we see on the court? Are you in the locker room? Exactly. So STFU. (Yes I know he didn't respond here, but I'm so tired of reading his 13 posts a day of mostly name calling, and he's what, 45?)
     
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    Look at that, he proved my point while I typed! Perfect timing! So, DD, what can Rafer do better, other than a time machine? He's never going to shoot better than 40%. We're stuck with him, get over it. We win with him, or lose with him, bottom line.
     
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    Anytime I post in a thread, my sig will state the fact that REEFER sucks.
     
  17. BackNthDay

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    Rafer has the following problems
    * His form on his jumper is flat out horrible and keeps practicing it
    * Can't finish at the rim, layup or the nasty floater, which he refuses to shoot off the backboard
    * Doesn't step in to shoot the 2, keeps shooting the 3 and wonders why he is wide open
    * Doesn't know when his shot is off and when to stop shooting
     
  18. Alvin Choo

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    if a player could pass the ball, play d, and shoot decent, i have no problem even if his the world biggest headcase.

    "overall personality and personality presence" will not win you ball games.
     

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