great point, I was talking about this last night with my cuz and we said when the Rockets win the title next June these folks who still complain about that trade will look very, very bad. And yes it was Morey's idea but CD, Lyndsey and Les all had to sign off.
It seems to me like a lot of you wouldn't even object to Troy Murphy's contract (9.2 million). Alston + Sura (retired, expiring contract) for Murphy actually works on the trade checker. As a Pacers fan, I don't really want Skip-to-My-Lou, to be honest. Indiana has in Tinsley one of the 5 worst starting PGs in the league (especially considering defense), and so we would be adding a guy who was another of the 5 worst starting PGs in the league last year to complement him. Some Pacers fans think Murphy is garbage (I don't) and that this trade would make some sense. Murphy was hurt last year and was traded in mid-season. I think he can be a 10 rpg guy again. Also we know Pacers coach O'Brien loves the 3-point shot. Tinsley can't make it, but then neither can Rafer, right? Head would be a good fit in Indy, but it would not get you Diogu or Foster without other assets being thrown in.
It's obvious that he's the odd man out. No suprise to anyone that the Rockets don't need 3 starting caliber PG. Besides, Rafer has real value to teams desparately in need of PG like Denver or Miami. Maybe the Rox can trade him for another big body like Najera from Denver or bring back Posey from Miami.
Disagree. We would be so much deeper with Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift. Swift is unpopular, I know, but IMO he is the type of PF Adelman likes. Rudy G. could backup three positions while earning more and more minutes as he develops into a star. Battier on the other hand, likeable as he is, is not a run, run, run type of player like Rudy G. and Swift. He is a solid, glue player who will be good in a backup role, but he is the least athletic player of our new core (yes, that includes the out of shape Bonzi).
I think Adelman has discussed many times that his team is not all about running like phoenix...they are a motion offense. You cannot be a brainless stromile swift and expect to excel in his system. Gay is still not a proven comodity to me so I'd rather go with Shane who knows the game and can be a Doug Christie to this team. Shane's 3 point shot will also become even more valuable in the case that we trade Head which seems like a high possibility right now.
battier is ok. (does he even rebound? how many rebounds did he average last year?) but trading GAY+SWIFT was too steep a price...
i just checked the stats. battier played 36.1 minutes last season and pulled a friggin total of 4.1 rebounds!!! and the league average for the sf position was 4.7 rebounds! so he's quite a below the average rebounder especially considering the amount of minutes he plays.
First, Battier was assigned to defend the perimeter so not much rebounds there. Second, Battier was also pretty much designated as corner 3 point shooter so theres not that many rebounds there either. Gotta look at the overall picture as to why, not just the numbers.
- Justin Reed (1.5298 M) - Bobby Sura (3.84 M) - John Lucas (0.700 M) 65.1M That leaves us with just about 2.5M left for Hayes. If we pick up anybody else from trading Sura, Lucas, or Reed, we'll have to cut or trade someone else. Rafer looks like a good option at 4.2M.
Swift sucks. Plain and simple. He sucks. Keeping him on this team would have been a horrible move cap wise. People think West suckered us into adding Swift, but at this point, I am sure the Grizz would be glad to give him back for free. So anyone who keeps adding that throwing in Swift was too much doesnt realize he would be cut from out team right now if he was still here. As for your Battier doesnt rebound enough statement, like it was said, he is always out chasing guys on the perimeter which makes it hard to get boards. Yes he was our SF, but he often guarded SG, so on the defensive end, you shouldnt compare his rebounding stats to the SF position. Besides, even if his rebounding is subpar, his team defense, rotations, and three point shooting make up for it. Ben Wallace is a cancer on the offensive end, but his defense and rebounding keep him on the court.
I posted this in another thread: My friend called me up and said he heard the radio in Dallas said something about James Posey, Jeff Foster, and Mobley are on Morey's workings right now. He's talking to all kinds of teams, New Jersey and New Orleans are also being talked to about John Lucas III and Justin Reed for something from New Orleans and they are talking about Chuck Hayes for Boki to New Jersey. Details really weren't much on those, but on these deals below they had more details. Luther Head and Chuck Hayes re-signed to Indiana for Jeff Foster is being discussed and Rafer Alston, Bobby Sura and cash to the Clippers for Mobley is being discussed, and talks to about James Posey re-signed then traded to the Rockets for Rafer Alston is being talked with Miami. He said Dallas radio is talking about Morey is the talk of the league, making more moves than any GM people can remember, that around the league everyone is talking about it, he's non-stop trying to make moves. He said the Dallas radio was talking about how Houston is trying to get better while the Mavs aren't doing anything. This would pretty much confirm that Morey is going to keep making the team better.
That's exactly right. He was primarily defending shooting guards, point guards, and small forwards who attack from the 3 point line. He wan't playing in the post or around the bucket. He was always taking the best perimeter offensive player. If you play him on 3s and 4s, his rebounding will go up to above average, because he's a fundamental player.
apparently morey and adleman disagree, hence the drafting of brooks, and signing of james and francis.. i think in adelmans' system, pgs are more finishers...while the bigs do more of initiating the offense..
I hope he's wrong. I admit he isn't the greatest in the world, but he's good enough if everyone else is doing their part. I must be in the minority thinking that he outperformed expectations here. Everyone bashes the dude, but he played those minutes last year for a reason... we had no better option, and dude can run the offense somewhat efficiently. James, not a true pg. Francis, not a true pg and his ability to contribute here again is not a gimme. Brooks? Not ready, short, and summer league means squat. So, if this is true, I'm concerned, and must warn everyone now about the coming "We need a true PG" Threads. =================== I was the TMAC of the summer league last year. - JL3
