1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Rafael Stone is a god send

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ball king23, Jun 29, 2022.

  1. ball king23

    ball king23 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    236
    Rafael stone is a god send can not wait to see what he does next with next years picks
     
  2. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    10,713
    Likes Received:
    6,868
    Jumping the gun a bit early here. His drafting prowess has been unexpected and very welcomed. I also like that he is both stoic and keeps things close to the vest. That said, he is still very much a blank slate as far as trades and signings go IMO. Just like with our own players, let's give him a few years before worshiping his divinity. :p
     
  3. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    10,595
    Likes Received:
    15,389
    Im with you OP. Stone has completely won me over and I feel at ease with him in charge.

    Our fanbase is so jaded and abused that they dont know good thing when they have it and would rather remain cynical until the end. It feels good to let go.

    STONE YOU MAGNIFICENT B*STARD!!
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Never Trump
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    116,476
    Likes Received:
    24,471
    I like how he is looking to build some chemistry instead of flipping the roster so much.

    Morey did a great job but he made a ton of mistakes too - including screwing up the DMo deal to where the NBA and the Rockets had to pay him and he went to China....when we matched the contract with New Jersey we could have matched the bonus structure too - making it a win win for everyone, but Morey and the Rox got Petty and created a problem that shouldn't have existed.

    Allowing this:



    To walk out the door for nothing.....and then made up bullshit about his back.

    Morey's rep is of a calculating ASSET only - non caring GM. Stone so far has navigated all the noise and has been completely up front with players like Wall - whom he handled masterfully.....

    Let's see how Stone handles a stacked roster of like skilled players and some who won't play ......that is his next challenge.

    DD
     
  5. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    10,713
    Likes Received:
    6,868
    LMAO... WTF are you talking about? D-Mo required surgery to repair a herniated disk in his back and then had to miss subsequent games afterwards due to back pains. If D-Mo was still NBA season capable, he would be in the NBA.
     
  6. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    7,294
    Likes Received:
    5,656
    LMAO He’s still pissed about DMO!!!!!
     
  7. xaos

    xaos Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2015
    Messages:
    4,701
    Likes Received:
    11,957
    You also started this thread which says we should start flipping. You are indeed a confusing poster DD lol

    2022-23 A Year of decisions for most of our roster
     
  8. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,047
    Likes Received:
    20,626
    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ding-out-on-the-rockets-because-of-6-million/

    What is Montiejunas doing?

    You can't put most of the blame on Morey and the Rockets when DMo is the one that was represented by a guy that clearly didn't understand the CBA
     
  9. King1

    King1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    10,825
    Likes Received:
    6,060
    He's a moron and has a weird fetish for D-Mo. Just better to laugh at him than try to have a rational conversation
     
  10. topfive

    topfive CF OG

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    17,476
    Likes Received:
    33,205
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    10,595
    Likes Received:
    15,389
    Putting on a clinic in executive management and interpersonal skills. Players will want to play for Rafael Stone.

     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Never Trump
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    116,476
    Likes Received:
    24,471
    Let me try to explain it a little better to give you context.

    It is about how the GM does his job, and how it is perceived by the players, the league and in a non-consequential way, us fans.

    Stone has so far navigated things in a much more Player friendly manner, he is repairing some of the damage Morey's calculating asset strategy caused.

    So, with Wall for example, he could have played HARD ball and forced him to take much more money off his contract, instead he let him off the hook for 6.5m off his contract which he can make up in the MLE from any team he signs.

    That is VERY PLAYER friendly.

    Whereas with DMO - Morey matched the New Jersey contract, but only to the least amount possible he chose NOT to honor the bonus structure or accelerators, now technically that was legal under the CBA - but it was a DICK move from the players perspective....thus me bringing it up here.

    And DMO sued the league and the Rockets and there was a settlement in his favor......

    So, Stone will still have to flip some players as assets, but HOW HE NAVIGATES that will define the org's reputation amongst players.

    Stone so far seems to be rebuilding trust with players.

    I bring up DMo only as an example of how Morey was so cut throat, and so far Stone has not been. Hopefully people are smart enough to understand the context......

    DD
     
    Trackwell and Verbal Christ like this.
  13. harold bingo

    harold bingo Sengun Only Fan

    Joined:
    May 16, 2017
    Messages:
    2,021
    Likes Received:
    6,204
    Im still in "wait and see" mode for Stone but I am cautiously optimistic. Every single young team thinks that they're killing it in the draft, because every top lottery pick is a future hall of famer until they're not. It's very easy to think that you've found your guy before he actually has to be "the guy". Orlando, OKC, Detroit, and Houston all think they have teams that are gonna be serious playoff teams in the next few years and the reality is that's probably not true. The most likely scenario is that none of the teams I listed end up being legitimate contenders.

    I won't crown Stone as a "god send", or better than Morey, or even better than replacement level before he builds a team that wins 50 games. Until then it's just hopes and dreams.
     
  14. palmsnbananas

    palmsnbananas Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    2,054
    This thread got derailed into DMO FOMO before it even got started hahaha
     
    Os Trigonum and MultipleSauces like this.
  15. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    45,756
    Likes Received:
    16,490
    Yeah he's still learning on the job. I suspect the lack of trades for guys like Gordon and even Wood last year are about Stone's first impressions as a GM.

    I suspect Stone wants to start his career and reputation around the league as a GM that has set prices for assets and refuses to take less "just because". He refused to to trade Wood until he got the best deal possible. He's refusing to trade Gordon for the same reason. He took such a L in the Oladipo deal that I'm sure he wants to reestablish himself as a serious GM.
     
    MultipleSauces likes this.
  16. groovemachine

    groovemachine Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,985
    Likes Received:
    2,718
    Stone has done well drafting thus far, we'll have to wait and see on FA and player retention.
     
  17. BreakYoSelfFool

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    551
    Likes Received:
    430
    I like that the Rockets seem to now have a focus on players that are motivated, hard working, competitive, high energy, and leaders. It is impressive to be able to find so many of these type guys in the same draft along with having skill and high potential. I think the Rockets are focused on building a championship cutlure and that is fun to root for.
     
    DaDakota likes this.
  18. hakeemthagreat

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2014
    Messages:
    6,108
    Likes Received:
    4,080
    It's the fact alot of posters here are still Daryl Morey nuthuggers. They will never come to the fact Morey's predecessor has outclassed him in less than 2 years. Stone has also successfully changed the negative stigma Morey created during the previous era
     
    Verbal Christ likes this.
  19. glimmertwins

    glimmertwins Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2006
    Messages:
    4,970
    Likes Received:
    2,858
    Don't equate "settlement in his favor" with "in the right". As a team/league, it's just bad business to be in a prolonged legal battle with a player/agent in the same way that it's bad business for a restaurant to argue with a customer even if the business did nothing wrong - you just gotta move it along to avoid that collateral damage.
     
  20. BonziWellsGOAT

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2013
    Messages:
    4,430
    Likes Received:
    4,407
    Don't let D-Rock see this thread
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now