Radio ad asks Houstonians to arm themselves against evacuees

does that store have any uzis and machine guns? I prefer those.

I need a few of those. I have some people huntin' to do.

 

typo, sorry

 

He's issue is more on explaining the race side(which is a factor) than the increase in crime caused by the "katricians", even if they may have made just a 1% difference. Was crime already going up..Sure...That doesnt negate the fact that it has gone up more after this and may get a lot worse when all of their funding has been cut....Lets say 20% (i think it will really be higher) of the, we'll make it an even 100,000 evacs that are currently here will have no income to live off of or feed their familes.....So, 20,000 people will have hit rock bottom and they are roaming around your city....That doesnt bother you in the least bit?

 

MadMax,

I am white.

A white guy robbed my home when I was in highschool. Some of the stuff was recovered. It was figured by the sheriff (Aldine Mail Route area) that the burglars were in the back of the house when we were coming in the front door... There was also evidence that they were armed at least with crow bars (enough to kill a person with a blow to the head -blunt force trauma).

I have owned a weapon since, for home defense. My dad has too.

I pray I'll never have to use it for the said reason, but it's there...

What does that have to do with anything?

Well, if crime is going up, to me, I am half way to feeling like I'm being responsible enough to persaonlly defend my family.

My Brinks home security system will probably do just fine though.

I'm also a little miffed that anyone would think I'm the least bit racist for stating facts about a crime wave.

Most people I see on TV reported as criminals here in Dallas lately are not any skin color other than my own. And if they are a different skin tone, I don't get out a "tally sheet" and keep records.

If you'll recall, I posted a thread in the hangout last year about the fact that I was burglarized right from my driveway not more than a month after moving into this house. What skin color did they have? Not sure, although I did report the white kids walking the allies to the police later in the week... and the kids' description (matched by the neighbors) fit the descriptions of some kids seen earlier in the week. By kids I mean 18-20ish...

So yes, I know that crime is not only going up since Katrina. It has gone up since Rita as well... since "Alpha" even.

And it will be with us until the end of the age. And I still pray I never personally have to use force to defend against it. But I will if need be.

It's not too unlike the whole abortion debate. "Would you allow your daughter to get an abortion if she'd been raped?" God forbid that would happen... I trust it won't.... and the answer may only be "no" unless the bridge is here to be crossed.

I do not intend on shooting anyone in my home either. But I like the chances of defending myself better if I'm prepared to do so.

This "racism" angle makes little sense to me. Honestly.

Think about it. If someone busts in my house and I see that they are white, do you think I'd be like, "Oh wait, you're white? Proceed." Nope. They are either going to jail with a wound, or without a wound. And if they attack after the warning they'll get a round. If they keep advancing after the first shot to the leg(s), they will get more.

Again. This is a last resort in case of a home invasion scenario.


As for the CHL, you can't really have it (gun) in too many places publically that you might perceive the need for it... so it would most likely stay in the vehicle, and even then probably only on longer trips (which I think is already legal when crossing 3 counties).

Semi off topic: Remember the days in Texas when people drove around with a shotgun in the rear window of the pick-up? Did we have less crime then?
Is that memory racist?

 

This is not a very good plan you've got going here. I suggest if you are going to point a gun at an intruder that you do less than shoot them twice in the chest and once in the head.

 

Seriously? Just go for the kill? Again, God forbid I'd have to, but I doubt it would be so simple.

After all, humans are NOT dogs.

 

i'm not saying that. here's what i'm saying:

1. crime was going up in Houston before Katrina. underlying everything i'm hearing in Houston is that somehow this was utopia before all of this happened,and if we could just get rid of all these undesirables from NOLA everything would be fine;
2. much of the crime we're seeing in my area of town isn't from Katrina folks, but from people displaced from other communities (I know Alief is one) by Katrina folks;
3. i'm sick to my stomach at how we're painting everyone from NOLA with a broad brush..it's akin to seeing all Muslims as evil because some jackasses hijack planes and ram them into buildings;
4. i've absolutely seen/heard racism behind that. no question about it. not sure what your experience is, but i can tell you beyond doubt it's fueling a ton of the overreaction to this crap out on the west side of town;
5. it is easy to label unknown people when we perceive our security threatened. we demonize and scapegoat. it's a human tendency that should be fought within ourselves.

 

i'm sorry, i just have no idea what point you're trying to make here with this post.

 

When you cram 100K of people into yuor city unexpectedly
somethings are going to change
and
not always for the better

Imagine 2 grown people moving into your house
that your don't really know
If your wallet is misplaced. . who do yuo blame
the 4 people in the house u know. . or the 2 strangers?

Rocket River

 

IROC it, I certainly remember those days. Not very many people did that... you noticed it because it was hard not to. Anyone who had a shotgun worth a damn wouldn't leave it where someone could break a window, or get into a door with a coat hanger, unless they were stupid, and it was something I saw more traveling in the country, than in Houston. East Texas? Saw it a lot.

Historically, Houston always had a small police force relative to it's population. A big reason for that was the difficulty getting hired as a Houston police officer. Back when Herman Short, a proud member of the KKK, no joke, was Police Chief (1964-74), he wouldn't hire anyone who didn't fit a "profile" similar to his own... white racist *******. Yes, there were many fine officers, but they worked in a climate of racism and intolerance promoted by Short and his cronies. Sure, budgets were always a concern, but when the political climate changed, sure enough, the number of police rose. Fancy that.

As for "less crime in the old days," think again. From Wikipedia:

Houston recorded 336 murders in 2005, in comparison to 272 in 2004. According to the Houston Police Department, murders in Houston peaked at 702 back in 1981.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Texas

1958 - Houston is dubbed "Murder town, USA" by Time Magazine for maintaining the highest murder rate in the nation, 15 per 100,000.

http://www.houstonculture.org/resources/houstontime.html


Murder rates fluctuate. During the '90's they dropped dramatically due, in large part, to a booming economy. I would have been surprised if a huge influx of refugees from a national disaster, of any race, and from any city, didn't lead to a spike in crime. In my opinion, it will pass, whether the people from NOLA stay in Houston, or not. Just don't think that Houston was doing wonderfully, in an historical context, prior to the Katrina victims arrival. It was not.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

Easy question - the 4 I know. You think I don't see the looks they've been giving me? They are exactly the type of people that would take my wallet. They are jealous of me and I think they might be on drugs as well.

 

Exactly. What point is there in lumping everyone into a "racist undertones/overtones" grouping if we/they/them/whoever says they will now arm themselves.


What was your point?

 

double post

 

By the time you point a gun at someone you should be ready and willing to kill them. If you aren't prepared to kill them you shouldn't pull the gun. Trying to wound people sounds like a good idea but most police officers and whatever will tell you that it is a really bad idea.

Shooting someone isn't like the movies where you pop them in the leg and they fall down and give up. Unless you hit a major part of the central nervous system, people will usually try to keep going until they bleed out and pass out.The shock or whatever keeps them going for awhile.

I seem to remember something about that not exactly being the case for high velocity rifle bullets - i.e. one shot causes much more pehripheral tissue damage at the higher velocity - but I'm not sure of that.

 

I agree with you, my post was supposed to say NO LESS, but I accidently left out the no. IROC it understood based on the context though.

 

About the only one to qualify for that is the 5.56 spec M193 or M855 round due to explosive fragmentation...The Russian 5.45 just tumbles with no fragmentation. Fragmentation rules!

 

Since everyone is giving self-defense advice here may I recommend taking a reputable self-defense course along with a reputable martial arts training. I certainly think people should be allowed to own guns and am OK with concealed and carry but a gun is not a panacea for personal protection. Anyway I don't need a license to learn how to learn to recognize, avoid and escape dangerous situations and I don't have to worry about my hands and legs being taken away from me and used against me or for the commitment of other crimes.

 

This issue also points out the need to make sure that victims of Katrina are given the resources and opportunities to make a new life and not left destitute. Law enforcement and arming yourself are fine and good but this is a situation where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. When the economy improves crime tends to drop and this will be the same situation with Katrina evacuees who are destititue. If they have a chance to make a new start and an honest living its less likely that many of them will turn to crime.

 

That sounds good in theory, but are 100,000 new jobs created in Houston just because 100,000 refugees show up? It would be easier to absorb the Katrina victims if they were dispersed more evenly around the country. Each state can easily absorb 2,000 people (on average, California can probably absorb more than Rhode Island - for example). It is much harder for a single city to absorb 100,000 all at once.