OK, this needs to be clarified. It's not like Ng had a press conference about this thing. In fact, she declined to comment about it to the LA Times beyond a single sentence that there was a situation and that she talked to the Mets' GM about it . Reading between the lines in the article, it sounds like all the Dodgers wanted was an apology (which they got). The source to news outlets about the incident seems to be other baseball execs in the bar (who, one would assume, seem to have been offended). The Times also quotes other Dodger "sources," but Ng clearly isn't the one going to the press about it. This still doesn't alter Giddyup's opinion that this wasn't newsworthy, but let's not blame Ng for it becoming public. Here's the article: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers15nov15,1,4114939.story Ng Is Victim of Racial Taunts Former Dodger and Angel pitcher Bill Singer apologizes for remarks directed at the Dodgers' assistant GM during meetings in Phoenix. By Jason Reid Times Staff Writer November 15, 2003 PHOENIX — New York Met official Bill Singer, a former All-Star pitcher with the Dodgers and Angels, directed racially insensitive remarks at Dodger executive Kim Ng in deriding her Chinese heritage this week, baseball officials who witnessed the incident said Friday. Singer, hired last week as a special assistant to Met General Manager Jim Duquette, confronted Ng, a Dodger vice president and assistant general manager, late Tuesday night at the general manager meetings here. According to witnesses, Singer approached Ng in the bar of the hotel where the meetings occurred. After asking Ng, the highest-ranking Asian American in the major leagues, questions about her background in a sarcastic tone, Singer began speaking nonsensically in mock Chinese before eventually leaving. Although he did not confirm details, Singer expressed remorse for his actions in a statement provided by the Mets. "I'm embarrassed by what I said when I met Ms. Ng on Tuesday evening," the statement read. "My comments were totally inappropriate and I'm truly sorry. I have apologized to her and hope that she will forgive me." Ng declined to discuss the events of that evening, acknowledging only "there was a situation that occurred. I have talked to Jim Duquette about it, and that's all I'm going to comment on." The Dodgers and Mets also commented Friday on the embarrassing situation. "His conduct was inexcusable and extremely disappointing," said Dodger General Manager Dan Evans, Ng's longtime friend and mentor. "Kim handled the entire situation in a professional manner, and we addressed the matter with the New York Mets the next day. I would prefer to keep that discussion with the Mets confidential." Duquette responded through Jay Horwitz, the Mets' vice president of media relations. "We learned of the matter recently and have addressed it with Bill Singer directly," Duquette said in a statement read by Horwitz. "While I cannot share the particulars of that discussion with you, suffice it to say, his comments were entirely unacceptable and inconsistent with the values and standards of our organization. We have extended our apologies to Kim Ng and the Dodger organization." Because of his status as one of Duquette's top advisors, Singer was part of the Mets' contingent at the meetings that ended Friday. Singer is one of two special assistants recently added to the club's reorganized front office. He formerly was a special assistant with Pittsburgh and held a top amateur scouting position with the Dodgers in 1998. A 20-game winner with the Dodgers in 1969 and Angels in 1973, Singer tossed a no-hitter for the Dodgers against Philadelphia on July 20, 1970. On Tuesday, Singer approached Ng as many baseball people were gathering in the hotel bar after attending an instructional league game. Deals are often discussed after hours in bars, and the hot-stove league talk continued that night as Singer began questioning Ng at about 11 p.m. Two officials within earshot described the exchange. Singer: What are you doing here? Ng: I'm working. Singer: What are you doing here? Ng: I'm working. I'm the Dodger assistant general manager. Singer: Where are you from? Ng: I was born in Indiana and grew up in New York. Singer: Where are you from? Ng: My family's from China. Singer: (Nonsensically mock Chinese). What country in China? Evans, not present at the bar late Tuesday, was informed about the incident by many people early Wednesday morning. He was said to be furious about what had occurred, Dodger sources said, and clearly expressed his feelings to Duquette. Ng is in her second season with the Dodgers. In its May 5 edition, Sports Illustrated ranked Ng as the "38th most influential minority in the sports world." Before joining the Dodgers, she served as a vice president and assistant general manager for the New York Yankees and worked for Major League Baseball. Ng began her baseball career with the Chicago White Sox in 1990, working under Evans in baseball operations. "As always, Kim acted professionally," Evans said. "It's an unfortunate situation."
Oh good god, cry my a river. More "liberal" posters have been banned than "conservative" posters, if those labels are even meaningful for the mostly thoughtful posters in these parts.
Exactly. Where was Achebe's get out of jail free card? (That's not to imply anything other than Achebe, a liberal, was banned for going off on someone. I think he could come back if he wanted).
he got a get out of jail free card...he just hasn't played it yet. i'm sure he will one day. by the way...the "someone" was me. i didn't know i inspired so much venom!
Well, I think bigtexxx was complaining that nothing happens to Timing, as a liberal, at all. Achebe may be able to post again, but he was punished. BTW, I have a MadMax voodoo doll, complete with matching office and kickass Rockets poster/ticket stub thingy.
I think Achebe has posted but under another moniker. I haven't detected him for months though. I miss him. He is/was good.. although he did have that nasty streak that got him busted. B-Bob, why is it that liberal posters have been banned more than so-called conservatives? I am not calling for any kind of punishment/banishment for timing in this instance. It's not that over-the-top to merit that, although I do appreciate DoD's warning. Timing is hot-headed and he needs to put a wrap on it.
Maybe because, like soccer players, they have more passion. Seriously, I don't think there's any reason or correlation. I just had to say something in the face of a "liberal bias" charge on this BBS, especially when Clutch himself, I believe, leans slightly to the right. I think this place is administrated in a very even-handed way for the most part. It's actually quite impressive.
I'm sorry I can't remember. As best I can recall that it began with the letter "A" and was somewhat recognizable from history or mythology. It has been several months, though, and he only posted a few times. As I recall he made it pretty clear who he was... or someone did.
I remember that, even though I also seem to remember that people made it obviously clear that it wasn't him.
I think you are in the neighborhood here, although emotion might catch it better than passion. A lot of quick triggers from that side of the aisle.
Is there anyplace to view an alphabetical roster of registrants? I can't find one and browsing through all the birthdays just takes too long.
I've been on the receiving end of a few hundred of those quick triggered responses. Experience matters. Some of them were even from you as I recall.
I've been in the same boat as you from the other side. Experience matters, but so do other people's experiences.
ok, i understand your argument much more here and its clear where we differ in opinions, which is fine. I believe that him getting fired for those racially tainted remarks is justified, there is simply a zero-tolerance when it comes to being a worker in a professional environment. He was fired, not just for what he did, but to show to the rest of the country that that kind of behavior is unacceptable. some may argue that shaq can do it and get away with it, well i wish he didnt, but the truth is, he can't be replaced, the lakers make a loss when he is gone. with shaq, it doesnt have to do with him being a minority, although he socially gets a little extra padding. The dodgers on the other hand have the liberty to cut those that disrupt, hurt or blemish the organization, I believe his comments are enough to rationalize his firing. There are many other guys and girls who can take that position and do a just as good job. having a job is a priviledge, not a right, if you mess up, the company has a right to take it away and replace you with someone better.
