How beauty is in the eye of the beholder, "progression" is in the mind of the beholder. Those who have the power, make the rules and definitions as to what is "progressive". Though we try our best, intelligence and intelligent ideologies aren't without bias. But we like to think being smart = righteousness excluded from wrongdoing. Eugenics for example, probably the most smartest, intelligent sensible approach to having quality humans. But who gets to make the rules of who gets the approval and who gets dismissed? Then what IS the standard of who matters and who doesnt? What is a "threat" and what isnt? If you ask different people, they'll each give you a range of answers and they'll appear very smart and very convinced that its best to avoid ALL people of a certain darker skin tone because those darker people carry much more DISEASE and isnt worth the RISK to associate with them. And will provide you scientific studies to support their opinion (yes, that from an actual smart Eastern European gent online who swore he wasnt being racist, just "careful". ) Fortunately, most of the overt racist people are predictable enough where you know they're doing it out of fear, protectionism and ignorance.
I see plenty of it with Beitar Jerusalem fans. It's seriously nasty. http://www.france24.com/en/20080501...itar-jerusalem-supporters-extreme-nationalist I'm very grateful I grew up a Houston sports fan and was spared having my sports mixed with ideology.
You are correct on that. hmmm I wonder why..... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/german-trial-hijab-murder-egypt If someone does not want to read the article here is a quick summary. A German man of Russian descent in Germany called a muslim woman who was in the park with her son a terrorist. She took him to court on that and in the courtroom he stabbed her 18 times, she was 3 months pregnant. The woman's husband was injured trying to save her and was shot by the police because the police thought "he was the attacker", he survived. All this happened in the German courtroom and in front of their 3 year old son.
And when that 3 year old boy grows up to be an outcasted, psychologically damaged, radically driven brown individual who was tainted at a young age by intolerance and violence from its host nation, it will be because "he's a Muslim." I was actually very shocked personally when a few friends of mine (and strangers to boot) from the Netherlands spoke about how much prejudice they face day to day in their regular lives. This came as a shock to me because I actually met another Middle Eastern guy before them that lived in the Netherlands that had only good things to say. Apparently it's very difficult to get anywhere in the professional world if you're not native Dutch. I don't really know the truth behind that beyond the personal experiences of a few. This did fit in with an article that I had read quite some time ago however, discussing how the Netherlands admits a lot less immigrants into universities even though their credentials may be equal to, if not at times better than, their native Dutch counterparts. Having watched a few documentaries about the situation of radical Islam in Europe, the most interesting point that I ever took out of any of them was when one mentioned that most of the radicals that evolved into what they were had not originally gone to Europe with any religious agendas. After facing [what they perceived to be] harsh prejudice from their host nations, they would seek solace in local religious communities. And guess who runs most of these mosques? Yup, the radicals. It's hard to get by in a foreign country, and these guys know it. What better setting/place to pounce on people ideologically than when they are lonely, disenchanted, and outcasted? However, I think hearing these kinds of things about Europe would be kind of like if a European were to hear about the KKK, and the Birmingham bombings, and rampant street violence, and color gangs, and Timothy McVeigh, and in the end thinking that America is just a terrible, crime-infested, racist **** hole. Although the narratives they may hear might be presented in overly dramatic fashion, out of context, and in some cases isolated incidences, it still conveys a partial truth about the country and its past. Ultimately, there are problems that are born out of both sides of the spectrum. All actions are in response to those which preceded it. Just as that boy mentioned earlier might grow up to be a radical, is it really because he was born into a Muslim family, or is it because of the horrors he faced at a young age that would eventually drive him to making the wrong decisions later in life? Trying to pin the tail on only one donkey is just ignorant.
I remember that story. Sadly I see this kind of behavior more and more. Even on a smaller scale, consider the woman who bit and hit a Muslim woman because she refused to remove her burqa. It seems this kind of violent behavior towards immigrants, and specifically Muslim immigrants, is growing rapidly in Europe.
check this book out if you get a chance. http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Continent-Europes-Twentieth-Century/dp/067975704X there are probably other ones out there that go over the violent history of europe, but i remember this one from college and it really reminds you how volatile europe has been in relatively recent history.
Self-victimization much? I suggest you weigh the number of crimes committed BY muslims in Europe vs. the number of crimes committed AGAINST muslims. You might be surprised.
Euro-racist chants don't carry the same weight? I think the players being taunted would disagree. Besides Europe has it's own racist history (Nazi Germany anyone?). The US is not exclusive in this.
Let’s get this back on topic, and not let it go to the place we have seen a 1000nd times before were ATW has a discussion with other posters about muslims. I do not know if it is more prevalent among Europeans. Againt black people there is little racism in countries like the Netherlands. Against Muslims there is much racism in the USA, for example not being able to build a mosque. No they are not way different. Ofcourse they are different in some area’s. But unfortunately What I see of the Tea party is pretty similar to what I see in Europe in the tea party. The fact that you actually believe the right winged parties in Europe are worse than the Tea party is sort of reassuring. So even you also disapprove with a Party like the PVV. So Bigtexxx tell me why they are so different. They have the following traits in common: • Thrive on populism • In general they are conservative • Nationalistic (against immigrants), all saying their country is the best in the world. • Derived mostly from liberal/republican parties (against Government interference) • Ignite fear to get their point across A person like Geert Wilders and Glen Beck are very similar. Wilders was even invited to talk at the Anti mosque rally. It is not widely accepted. Was the Iraq war widely accepted, the torturing of prisoners widely accepted. I think you can find many more people in America who accepted these things than you can find people in Europe who accept Racism. Like I said before there are idiots in every country. And soccer brings the worst out of people. LOL and of course you voted for him, since you love the fact that you have a black president. We would never see anybody making Racist comments on Obama from the US
I'm quite aware of Europe's antisemitism. It goes far back centuries before the Nazis even. I think that kind of bigotry would definitely carry the same if not more weight than here in the U.S. I never said that the players were fine with Europe's racist chants, or that they don't matter, but that doesn't make it the same as it is in the U.S.
You are extremely ignorant about what happens in the US. If I were you, I'd stick to talking about The Netherlands. Your bulleted points are all wrong. I've asked you this before, but you really need to educate yourself before posting your ignorant beliefs. Sorry.
I'll only comment on Wilders. I don't think Wilders deserves to be demonized. Populist? I guess. Right on a lot of things? I think so.
Sorry, there is already a thread for where you are going with this. Or you will create it next week. Either way. I'm not really into competition, I don't think that if the statistics were reversed I would feel any different about a pregnant woman being shot, and I don't think I would be less/more sad about the motives behind it. I was just discussing the upward trend in violence against immigrants, especially Muslim ones, in Europe. I'm sure there is a lot of crime from Muslim immigrants in Europe, and I hope it makes you feel good to hear that.
Well, the Turkish have asked for the statistics to be compiled according to you. How sad that this hasn't even been done yet.
Does Dubai keep statistics on crimes against foreigners, against women and against gays, as well as crimes motivated by religion/culture, as well as honor beatings, honor killings, oppression of women, discrimination against non-Arabs, exploitation of foreign workers (specifically Indians), including making them work under dangerous and inappropriate working conditions? If not - "how sad this hasn't even been done yet".
