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Racial Hysteria Triumphs on Campus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. TheresTheDagger

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    There's a police report but no photograph of it? Again, not saying there isn't one, but given how much (pardon the pun) crap has been revolving around this it should probably be released (assuming of course this actually happened).

    In the meantime, I guess we should be afraid next Halloween of protests occuring everywhere a pile of dog crap in a bag is lit on fire on someone's doorstep.
     
  2. JeffB

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    I guess the usual rule of make any claim just to "win" the argument are still in effect? You don't get taken seriously when you establish you will make any claim, no matter how disingenuous, to "win".

    Anyway....

    Admittedly, I really didn't know what exactly was happening at Missouri to warrant the student protests. I thought the black students there were facing the usual casual anti-black racism they face on campuses, only multiplied by being in the South. But these incidents were apparently growing in frequency and outright aggression.

    The Missouri president made an awful error of not taking a tough public stand against the intimidation and threatening of a portion of the student body. The "You have been warned" makes very clear the intent was to imply physical harm may follow. There have been enough college campus rampages/killings to make any leadership take seriously threats to any part of the student body. Seriously, how does an outright threat not sound alarm bells?

    Doing nothing is not an appropriate response to these incidents. The media paints this as just a black thing, but both black and jewish organizations confronted administration about the lack of action. I think one donor put it best:

    “I think Tim Wolfe is a very competent leader, but there are three things in crisis management that you have to do: Be abundantly honest, you have to work quickly, and you have to control the message,” said Don Walsworth, whose family has given the university millions of dollars. “Unfortunately, I don’t think the university did that.”

    Wolfe just totally failed in the PR and crisis management portion of his job.
     
  3. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    You're asking where is the racism in a swastika? Wow, doubling down on stupid. Are you familiar with the swastika? Should we proceed with a history lesson? You are quickly entering bigtexxx territory.
     
  4. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Just a couple swastikas here and there. Move along, nothing to see here. LOL

    Racial hysteria! Weeeeeee!
     
  5. MojoMan

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    I am saying what I said in my previous post.
     
  6. Amiga

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    You appear to be ignorant of history and what that symbol has represented since the Nazi's decided to use it (an altered version of the old religious symbol).

    You're telling me the swastika is not inherently racist and hateful? And you're telling me that I am reaching? Give me a ****ing break.
     
  8. Cohete Rojo

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    The safe-space hype is catching on elsewhere, at Claremont McKenna College.

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  9. JeffB

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    CMC has historically been a bastion of conservatism, too.

    Little tidbit: Robin Williams dropped out of CMC when it was still a men's college.

    These PC movements have ways of misguidedly following the wrong trajectory. Racism is being redefined to general prejudice and these movements have no ideas for combatting that without looking like the very thing they are combatting.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I agree with this perspective. I think there are many problems here - one is that there is prejudice in general which is oppressive, but now we're seeing an escalation of that into intimidation which may imply that prejudice before that was happening was far more than name calling but had a veil of intimidation underneath it.

    Now we are seeing a reaction. Some of that reaction is good and legitimate, but it is also exposing problems with taking things too far and not looking at the larger context of discrimination and closed-minded thinking. It's defensive and self-righteous in part but not all.

    Of course the right cherry picks the parts that it can use to undermine the whole reaction, which because of the nature of the issue, demonstrates bias as well since this is not just a political issue but a humanistic one.

    Ok, you are saying the Nazi Swastika is not racist. Wow. I didn't have much respect for you before, but it's safe to say that it's all gone.
     
  11. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    This is clear, and most university presidents agree. It's one reason he was so quick to hang it up.

    It's a tough freaking job. It's like being a CEO but without the pay and the real power a CEO has.
     
  12. Nook

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    Swastika is primarily associated as being against Jews. There is no doubt it is a hateful/offensive symbol most the time. However I don't think some moron smearing **** on a bathroom wall is anything beyond gross and offensive.

    Likewise I don't think a beef between a black and white student, where the black student calls the white student "*****", is racist.

    You clean the **** off the wall, tell the students if they are caught doing it again, they will be suspended. Also, what kind of pu$$y goes and files a complaint because another student called him a "*****".

    People are looking for things to be offended about, especially in this context.
     
  13. Nook

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    This is it in a nutshell.
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    A Nazi Swastika is not just anti-Jew - it's a universal symbol used against anyone who is not a white heterosexual.

    It is a symbol of violence and terrorism.

    Imagine a Muslim spray-painting remember 9/11 and "god is great" on your door, with a skull with a dagger through it's head underneath and that's about what the swastika means.


    When you have to defend use of the Nazi Swastika you've gone "full r****d".

    There is insensitive speech - for example, using the word r****d. And then there is intimidation and veiled threats of violence and hate. I think BOTH sides need to be educated on the difference.
     
  15. sirbaihu

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    Dude, get on the right side of history. Ever heard of a guy named Jesse Owens?

    http://www.olympic.org/videos/jesse-owens-s-inspiring-history

    Joe Louis?

    http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9404398/more-just-fight

    Be proud of your history.
     
  16. CometsWin

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    I can't believe there's a need to explain how the swastika is a symbol of white supremacy. I mean what year is this? Wow.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    First off intimidation is very subjective and if the students feel that they have been threatened targeting the school president and reporters isn't the right away to go about it. Threats of violence should be looked at and my understanding were. That said expressing a hateful opinion isn't the same as a threat of violence.

    The students certainly a right to state that they feel offended and threatened. If what they say is true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, what has been said is certainly offensive and hateful and should be rightfully called out as such. This does come down to an issue of recognizing both your own rights and others.

    The students have the right to express their displeasure in the public sphere. They have the right to call for the resignation of the president and for the players they have the right to not play football. Reporters though have the right to report and that there protests are taking place in the public sphere they have no basis to prevent reporters from reporting on their activities. Further in the public sphere they have no right to carve out their own "safe speech zones" on the quad of a public university.
     
  18. bigtexxx

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    This is a courageous woman. Respect to her.
     
  19. krnxsnoopy

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    LOL Exactly the mentality of racism held by many in America.

    People in this country close their ears to any racial discussions, if it doesn't have to do with black people.

    It ain't racist if it ain't against black people!

    LOL @ the person shouting out "but racism is prejudice plus power!"

    Victim mentality, narrow minded.

    So black people can't be racist, right? since black people no power. Ha! That's the logic there?

    :rolleyes: Stupid....
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Of course Black people can be racist. However, more times than not it stems from a notion, perceived or not, of past and current transgressions against their race.

    When White people are racist, more times than not it stems from a notion of racial superiority.

    It's not a justification, but one is less morally reprehensible than the other. I don't think any rational individual would deny that.
     

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