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[Race Relations] Private Swimming Club

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Dairy Ashford, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

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    Now, my brothers and I swam Roseland Park, Gray Sports Complex, Splashtown USA and the Baytown YMCA hassle-free in the mid-80s, but, to be fair, there were only three of us, not a whole NFL-roster's worth.

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

     
  2. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    that lady who said she was afraid they might do something to her kids needs to be educated and told that you judge a person by their actions and not the color of their skin.

    I'm sad that she's a parent and isn't smart enough to know that or is stupid enough to believe her kids are in danger because people who are look different from her kids are swimming with them. :( :( :(
     
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    In fairness, 60 new entrants into a pool would make anyone want to leave -- the issue of race may not be relevant.

    Not sure we can base a case off of young camper Dymire Baylor's testimony...
     
  4. BrooksBall

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    These uppity fools are putting their kids in more danger by spreading their hate.

    Hate triggers more hate. Kindness triggers more kindness.
     
  5. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

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    The only problem, Trader, is that the Valley Swim Club advertised open membership and accepted $1,900 in payment, from a Day Camp; which would have clearly indicated a large influx of new attendants coming all at the same time. Not knowing how large the Valley Swim pool is, one wonders whether parties or competitive meets there have netted a similar amount of unfamiliar members. It may be more honest and compelling to just acknowledge that diversity; while legal and admirable, might not always be realistic from a pure sociological standpoint.

    If Augusta National can legally prohibit women due to the "private club" clause in the Civil Rights Act, than Valley Swim is probably in the clear. They'll probably need to just stop advertising to risk future incidents like this, and just start raising their dues to make up for the lost revenue. Or just say that membership is by invitation only, then just start walking up to random white people and asking them to join.
     
  6. shastarocket

    shastarocket Member

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    While I agree with what you say, this would not have been an issue if the Valley Swim Club did not suspend the memberships
     
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Let's be objective in this situation and analyze why the club revoked the memberships. Racism is a logical conclusion, and probably accurate. Who knows, there could be details left out of the story, but let's just assume for now that it's racism.

    What led these people to not want black children at their club? The question must be asked, 'why are these people racist'? What have they been exposed to in life that makes them not want to be around black people? What experiences have they had that makes them feel this way? I don't think this question is often asked. I'd like to hear some explanations for why racism exists. Is it as simple as being handed down from the parents? The influence of the media? A pattern of personal experiences? Cultural differences? This can be a good discussion if we can keep it civil.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    Yeah riiiiiight! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Here you go again trying to derail a thread you don't like. Let's see if people here take the bait as usual and turn this into a poo-fest.

    Mods, every time you shut down a thread that gets deliberately knocked off track, you play right into the hands of the posters who don't like the thread. The only way to slow this nonsense down (or stop it) is to go after the posters who continually do the hijacking. Once they get suspended a few times, the games will stop and D&D will become more civil. Just suspend them for 2-3 days at a time. I promise you within a week the results will be obvious.

    Just a suggestion. By a longshot, this is NOT the worst example for TJ.
     
  9. wizkid83

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    I've stated my view before. I think the lack of civil liberties and Jim Crows for several generations (where having education = lynching), not to mention current media's portrayal of what a successful black person is (cough: MTV and BET) plays a pretty big role in the self fulfilling prophecy within the black community. In hearing Obama talking about the black community need to change the mindset of good students are acting white, the same issue is discussed in the book "freakonomics", one has little wonders about how this mindset came about. People/communities are able to be conditioned to think a certain way, a habits/fear/ideas that are persistent for generations are not as easily untaught with just 40 years of "change". I think the Black community need to change within themselves before others view them differently, though I also think it's fair to say that U.S. had some dirty hands in the matter.
     
  10. brantonli24

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    True, but that doesn't mean the club can suspend them automatically. The original people may want to leave, it doesn't mean the new comers have to leave.
     
  11. Dairy Ashford

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    I don't know if you're talking in a pure legal sense; but if you are, I think the club can pretty much do whatever it wants. Civil rights only apply to public facilities, or private facilities that offer public accomodations and engage in interstate commerce.
     
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    Club was r****ded ffor running a special for the pool and allowing 65 kids to join at once. Most clubs will have a capacity problem handling 65 kids along with their own members already in the pool. They are going to have a hard time finding a place to swim, whether it is a majority black club or majority white club.
     
  13. Rocket River

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    "Back to life
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  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    trader justifying racism again, some things never change.

    that's fine, it makes all his anti affirmative action arguments bunk because he's willing to justify racism.

    mental not to bookmark this thread for next affirmative action debate
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    so the next time he's railing on quannell X or jackson or sharpton for "playing the race card" lets examine why black people in america may feel the need to claim racism? hmmm
     
  16. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Ok, I attempted to have a civil discussion about the root causes of racism, but I guess that's not what you guys want. I tried.

    Perhaps it's just easier (or preferable?) to complain in circles about the problem over and over. Of course, there are groups that feed off of the ability to complain over racism, and these groups have a vested interest in the continuation of racism. Sharpton/Jackson/Quannel X would all fall into that category. Without racism, their business model doesn't exist.
     
  17. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    More racism on display:

    http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

    Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family
    By Phil Trexler
    Beacon Journal staff writer

    POSTED: 07:44 p.m. EDT, Jul 07, 2009

    Akron police say they aren't ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation.

    But to Marty Marshall, his wife and two kids, it seems pretty clear.

    It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.

    Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.

    The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black.

    ''This was almost like being a terrorist act,'' Marshall said. ''And we allow this to go on in our neighborhoods?''

    They said it started when one teen, without any words or warning, blindsided and assaulted Marshall's friend as he stood outside with the others.

    When Marshall, 39, jumped in, he found himself being attacked by the growing group of teens.

    His daughter, Rachel, 15, who weighs about 90 pounds, tried to come to his rescue. The teens pushed her to the ground.

    His wife, Yvonne, pushed their son, Donald, 14, into bushes to keep him protected.

    ''My thing is,'' Marshall said, ''I didn't want this, but I was in fear for my wife, my kids and my friends. I felt I had to stay out there to protect them, because those guys were just jumping, swinging fists and everything.

    ''I'm lucky. They didn't break my ribs or bruise my ribs. I thank God, they concentrated on my thick head because I do have one. They were trying to take my head off my spine, basically.''

    After several minutes of punches and kicks, the attack ended and the group ran off. The Marshalls' two adult male friends were not seriously hurt.

    ''I don't think I thought at that moment when I tried to jump in,'' Rachel Marshall said. ''But when I was laying on the ground, I was just scared.''

    Marshall was the most seriously injured. He suffered a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye. He said he spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General Medical Center.

    The construction worker said he now fears for his family's safety, and the thousands of dollars in medical bills he faces without insurance.

    ''I knew I was going to get beat, but not as bad as I did,'' Marshall said. ''But I did it to protect my family. I didn't have a choice. There was no need for this. We should be all getting along. But to me, it seems to be racist.''

    Akron police are investigating. Right now, the case is not being classified as a racial hate crime. There were no other reports of victims assaulted by the group that night.

    The department's gang unit is involved in the investigation, police said.

    ''We don't know if it's a known gang, or just a group of kids,'' police Lt. Rick Edwards said.

    The Marshalls say they fear retaliation at home or when they go outside. They are considering arming themselves, but they're concerned about the possible problems that come with guns.

    For now, they are hoping police can bring them suspects. They believe they can identify several of the attackers.

    ''This makes you think about your freedom,'' Marshall said. ''In all reality, where is your freedom when you have this going on?''
     
  18. juicystream

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    There is an easy way to avoid swimming with black people, go buy your own pool.

    I wouldn't want 60 people entering the pool at once either, and would probably move my pool membership, or swim at a different time. If the pool didn't want that occuring, they would need to limit the number of members and people visiting the pool at one time. I'd have to agree this is awfully racist of them.
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    no you're not. you're trying to say black people are criminals, therefore it justifies racism. you've done it in the past. nevermind that racism's root causes go back quite a few hundred year's in this country. you want to narrow it down to the last 20 LOL.

    that's okay trader, whatever, as long as you're willing to justify racism than we can justify affirmative action.

    quite simple
     
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    and considering you're willing to justify racism, I feel I'm being quite civil
     

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