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R&R Offense or Why Set Plays are so Infrequent for the Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jtr, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. jtr

    jtr Contributing Member

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    Time and time again I read posts by the newer CF members dissing on McHale for not running set plays. This thread is an attempt to explain the Rockets offensive system.

    The Rockets run the read and react (R&R) offense.

    Here is a YouTube video where it is examined and explained by some legendary players and coaches.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Bsuvkaqak

    Who runs the R&R offense in the NBA? The finest example is the Spurs. If you want to see the end product polished by years of work I recommend watching some of the Spurs games.

    And who else runs the R&R? Strangely enough Rick Adelman, a coach that CF posters pine for. Ever wonder why when McHale took over the offense looked so familiar? McHale just kept the same offense he found in place. And it looked almost identical to the previous years offense. Well, having two wing starters injured for months and months did impact its efficiency.

    So please do not complain about McHale not running set plays. At the highest level of basketball set plays are easy to defend and do not work often. R&R however is the most advanced and potent offense currently used in the NBA.

    (1) http://www.coachesclipboard.net/ReadandReactOffenseNotes.html
     
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  2. steady

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    Read and react. I like it and think the Rockets should keep it.

    But there is still room for set plays in Read and React. If you watch the Spurs, when they come out of a time out in the closing minutes of a close game, they often run a set play -- usually getting the ball to the hot hand.

    Remember that Parker buzzer beater near the beginning of last season against OKC. The Spurs clearly wanted Parker to take the last shot, he had been hot the whole 4Q, but Parker is off the ball for most of the play, and then catches and shoots a pass from Jeff Green.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG0gkXFsk6c

    That is a well designed and beautifully executed play to close out a game.
     
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    And the Rockets at times are directed to attack a certain aspect of the opponents defense. I feel pretty sure that many of the Howard post ups are called by the coaching staff. Not near as pretty as the Spurs offense, but expected since the Rockets have turned over what, 17 roster positions in the last two seasons? All offenses need time and stability to perfect.
     
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    I agree with most of what you say. I just want to see a little more effort given to drawing up plays, especially in late game situations. As the season progresses, hopefully we will see more of that.

    As frustrating as coaching decisions have sometimes been recently, I am far from giving up on McHale.
     
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    In all probability McHale is not going anywhere. Adelman was unwilling to accept Morey's "interference" and was subsequently let go. Most of McHale's staff is actually hired directly by Morey. Few if any truly "established" NBA head coaches would give up that amount of control.
     
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    1. The Rockets do not run the "read and react" offense. They run their own offense that their coaches designed which can be described as an offense that is "free-flowing" or an offense where you "read and react". It isn't literally the "read and react offense" that Better Basketball is trying to sell.

    2. The Rockets do have sets that they run. You said they did not in another thread. But they do. And not just for ATO's.

    3. And I don't know how you can say Adleman and McHale run the same offense when McHale's offense was different with Lowry, Scola, Martin, etc. than it is with Harden, Howard, Asik, etc.
     
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    Please do your research before you disagree with posts.

    Assistant coach Chris Finch explains the evolution of the Rockets' read-and-react offense
    http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/offensive

    If you go back and look at the tape of games 2 and 3 years ago you would be hard pressed to know if Adelman or McHale was on the sidelines.
     
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    Everything bmd said is 100% correct, actually.

    There is no such thing as the read and react offense. The Rockets have a read and react system, yes.
    But the Rockets offense is totally different from the Spurs. The Spurs offense is totally different from the T-Wolves. And not a single NBA team uses the read and react offense you linked to.

    "The read and react offense" is just a name Rick Torbett of BetterBasketball uses as a trade mark trying to sell folks his system.

    But yes, while what the Rockets do on offense may look random to a lot of people, most of the time it's just players attacking within the Rockets system.
     
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    1. How does that article prove that the Rockets run the "Read and React Offense" from that Youtube video you posted? It's not the same offense.

    2. McHale's offense this year and last year does not even look the same as his offense did when Lowry and Scola were here. They ran many more off-ball screens then. You said McHale just kept Adelman's offense in place. But that isn't the case considering McHale's offense isn't even the same as his own offense was a couple years ago.
     
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    This is also not true.

    Teams score out of timeouts at a higher percentage than during the course of a game. Why? Because they run a set play.

    Set plays work... you just cannot run them constantly during the course of a game or the other team will catch on.

    Plus, no team runs set plays constantly, even at the high school level. They'll run a motion offense or something most of the time, and call certain plays at different times.
     
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    The R&R offense is more of a overall strategic principle. If I remember correctly it features 26 separate "subsystems?" "levels?" "degrees?" that define an offensive strategy. Which parts are most prominently featured in an offense vary among NBA teams, but the overall guidelines were developed by Torbett. His definition is so broad and comprehensive that it encompasses the entire R&R offense as implemented in the NBA and lower levels of basketball.
     
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    Once again, you are wrong. His system is very specific. It requires a basket cut, every time.

    His idea is that the lane serves as the "decision box" when he basket cuts.

    Not even on the same planet as what the Rockets are doing.
     
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    Also not true.

    Evidence: Timeouts hurt scoring
    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/37405/evidence-timeouts-hurt-scoring
     
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    Read and react basketball has been around for far longer than Rick Robett's system/guidelines/whatever. He just put a "The" before it and markets it as some revolutionary thing.

    Correct.
     
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    Various forms existed in the past. Torbett actually condensed portions of Wooden's UCLA offense, Phil's triangle and other systems into a concise strategy that coaches could implement. You seem to think he plagiarized something. Actually the principles he expounded went directly from him into Division 1A college basketball and then into the NBA.
     
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    And so I have to ask "How does an end of game timeout differ from any other timeout called during the course of the game?" And if you disagree you should show some shred of fact to back up your opinion.
     
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    Did I just read that you put McHale on the same level as Pop?
     
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    No. I explicitly said that the Spurs run R&R to near perfection. A far cry from McHale's current implementation. But Pop had 3 all stars and two certain HOF players to depend on. It obviously will take longer for McHale to fully integrate R&R.
     
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    So what part of a read and react system is the shooting guard dribbling the ball for 20 seconds before passing it to someone else?
     
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