Question for those of you so upset that we might have dropped 2 spots in the lottery

LOL. If you still dont get the point then you are really helpless.

Any rational person would take a "cost and benefit analysis" before taking ANY action. I enjoy reading the fellow rocket fans opinions here in clutchfans, that's the benefit for me. What if the cost is $100 to join this site? For me the cost>benefit and I think it's not worth it. Then I would stop reading here. I reply your post because I like to tell you how ridiculous you are. The cost is 2 mins of typing time. I think it's worth it then I do so.

Now what's the benefit of winning the Denver game? For most of us it's NONE. It's a meaningless game for both of us and Denver. Denver also didnt play in full strength. Now what's the cost of winning that game. We dropped 2 spot in the draft pick. You may try to convince us that dropping 2 draft pick MAY cost us nothing finally with the talents of this year draft. But why take this risk with ZERO benefit? Any rational person would only take risk when there is a chance for better benefit. Any rational person knows 7th pick is better than 9th pick. Any rational person would not swap the picks if there's zero benefit to do so. That's the point Clutch was trying to make and it's so clear that everyone of us get it except you.

 

I kind of guess whatever I type won't help you much, but let me make it clearer anyway:
1. I don't think people will be as upset, or upset at all even this win comes earlier. By earlier, I mean when we were out of the playoff picture but still unclear of the draft position.

Yes, you can't nitpicking every win in regard to draft positions. However, this is the second to last game of the season, drafting position can actually be calculated, accurately. Trying to win in this senario is not smart.

2. I don't think people will be upset if we win the game with young guys playing heavy minutes and contributing. Or, even if Denver was actually giving effort. A win by the young guys against a full-strength Denver team might as well give us something in the future. However, that's not the case in this win.

3. I don't think people will be upset if we are a team like Magic, or even GS, meaning they've been in the lottos multiple times, and developing current young players are more essential to their future than improving on the draft position. However, we are not. None of the Rockets on the court is essential to the success of the team in the future. Davis Wesley? Will he even still on this team next year? We are the team who needs fresh blood and every asset we can grab while waiting on Tracy and Yao's health, and drafting position is one of these assets.

In conclusion, that win does nothing for the future of the team, nor does it have any meaning for this season - other than JVG's win/loss record. The win, an dthe fashion they win it can only be qualified as downright stupid, and unfortunate.

 

LOL, if

1. we can be certain Rockets won't win the championship without trying.
2. Winning the championship is the only goal in the NBA, we don't need to consider the business side.

then, tha's actually a viable strategy.

Play within the rule.

But thanks for playing.

 

So, if Seattle and GS win, we are alone at #8. Let's see.

1-5 in no particular order
Ty Thomas, Lamarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison, Rudy Gay, Bargnani???

That leaves Roy, Carney, and whoever else for Minny and Boston. Boston already has PP and GG, why would they need another swingman? They need a center.

Minny has Ricky Davis and McCants at the 2. I suppose they could use a 3, or possibly use Roy at the 2 and move Davis to the 3. But they really need to upgrade their center position also. They're all messed up though so they will probably take best available talent.

So we could possibly deal one spot or 2 spots up if we want Roy if Boston gets the 6 pick. They would probably trade us that spot for our pick if we agreed to take Raef back for a little bit of cap relief in the form of Juwan and Sura's deal after Sura figures out he can't play anymore. Or get a 3rd team involved using our TE to forward a player along with Juwan to Boston for Raef. Then we can pick up Roy and possibly Gay if he falls down that low.

That would give us an interior rotation of Yao Deke Raef Stro and Chuckie, a slight upgrade and then we get an upgrade on the wing as well. Throw Boston our 2nd rounder to make it happen if we have to.

 

Guys, just cool down, though we may have different opinion, at the end we just hope good things could happen to Rockets. That is what I see from all the posts.

By the way, even this thread goes to 100 pages, it will not change the fact we are not going to get a higher pick now. So, it is better to change our attention to the draft prospects now than getting angry with each other.

 

Listing from 1-7 the players fans like has no bearing on what the management thinks. Every team has a group of players they target in the draft. For example, the Rockets may have a pool of 13 players in this draft they like. They'll have a draft order for these 13 players, and if they have 13 picks they get all the players they want, unfortunately their choices are limited. Suppose that the Rockets has the 7th pick and the teams ahead selected six players out of the Rockets pool, then the Rockets can select the best player among the rest of pool, which is 7 players(13 minus 6) deep. If the Rockets have the 10th pick, then they can only select the best player from the rest of pool, which is now only 4 (13 minus 9) players deep. The importance of draft order is the widening of the Rockets draft pool.

It's of great chance for the teams ahead to select some of the best players out of the Rockets pool. Therefore, it's of great chance that the Rockets chooses inferior players to their choice at the 10th pick, as opposed to the 7th. The only way the Rockets don't care about the picks dropping from 7 to 10 is if they don't want any player in the draft, which is impossible. If they want even just one player in the draft, they would want to move up to have a chance to get him in hope of his stock fall. It's reasonable to say that a player's stock may fall, but that's doesn't lead to the conclusion of the unimportance of draft order, as how much he falls as well as how much
the Rockets MOVES up decides if both sides can meet in the draft.

I bet Les may not be up for tanking, but dropping 7th to 10th rings like JVG's farting in his ears.

BTW, who cares about history regarding draft. What happened in the last draft has nothing to do with this draft. Amare Stoudamire can fall to the 9th pick but does it mean Brandon Roy willl fall to the 10th pick this year??? Each draft is different, but the importance of draft order that I explained is not different. The draft order is a tool which doesn't guarentee success, but one has better chance to succeed with a better tool generally, and sometimes a better tool is critical to success. One can't deduct from history and apply the result to this year. The GMs are different, the players are different, the owners may be different. Such doing is as meaningless as the Rockets games right now.

 

There's no way? You think? LOL? I've already replied actually on this, try to see if yo ucan figure it out.

"Young players", their name is certainly not Deke, Davis Wesley, or Juwan Howard. Luther Head played only 24 minutes, DW played 28. and JH's 32 min atops all PFs. Go figure yourself.

 

You can argue that the #7 pick is better than the #9 pick and I'd agree with you.
However, to argue that Head 'only' getting 24 minutes is a big deal is pretty ridiculous. The guy's played tons of minutes all year. Him playing 10 more minutes in this one game isn't going to make a difference.
However, I think most people are missing the point. I don't think anyone is arguing that picking 7th is better than picking 9th. As others mentioned, I think the biggest thing about dropping 2 spots is it cuts our chances of a top 3 pick in half. But if we miss out on that, then it doesn't matter too much down at 7-10.

 

YOnkers I dont think you should post here. That kind of reply is totally inappropriate and I for one am offended!


Reason... rationality and calm thoughts are not welcomed here. GO away!

 

hur? You mean Luther Head has gotten a lot of minutes this season, thus he's proved himself, improved himself enough as a rookie, thus he doesn't need as much floor time as DW? How about Chuck Hayes, Swift?

 

Yeah, being on this board has me convinced that a big sector of the general public is misinformed, unable of analytical thinking, and easy to manipulate, plus stubbon. And I don't need to go to D&D to realize that.
LOL.

 

I think he means.... umm how should I put it without putting words in his mouth... how about this... he means exactly what he said.

 

Who said anything about big difference?

Any more putting words in his mouth?

 

LOL. My quality of education is always up to debate, same as our intelligence.

No wonder. You actually think we have NO chance to win the championship next year and we are not even a contending team? I'm sorry but most of us think we should be serious contender with Yao and T-mac. We got so upset because our 3-15 players suck so bad that we think we NEED talents. We are over the cap and dont have any trading asset. That's why draft pick is so important to us to improve so that we can be the contender instead of pretender. If I consider this is not a contending team in the foreseeable future then I would break the team up and rebuilt them. If the cost is 0-82 next season so be it as long as we can build the contending team in the future? What's your plan? Try to win 40 games every year and be happy about it?

Now it's the name calling match? LOL. If the player enjoy winning a meaningless game which your opponent played with 30% of their strength, then I have nothing to say. It's like enjoying 100M victory over carl Lewis when he's running with a single foot or he's 80 years old. What's the point of the victory? NONE. What's so enjoyable? Next time try to win some games that really mean something.

How many times it has been said we should play the young guys? Did you know something you didnt know about Howard and Wesley in last 10 games? Lampe should be played. Even Fitch should be played if he's not waived. Hayes and Swift should play more. You can say I am throwing games but I know we can get a better evaluation of those players in the real game situation. I consider it's a benefit w/ no costs. What's the benefit of playing Howard/Wesley? By the way where are KG, PP, Ricky Davis, Baron Davis or richardson lately?

No worries. I am happy that I make someone feeling better about himself. I think you need it.

 

Hmm i thought I'd eliminate any chance for confusion by ACTUALLY QUOTING him but I guess not lol. You ask what if he meant... I quoted what he said thus what he meant.

1. Who said anything about big difference? Let see... Its his quote... he wrote it... gee I dont know... who can it be!

2. I quoted him so I didnt "put any words in his mouth" His words His Quotes! But sure I'll qoute him again and please dont ask me who said anything about big difference again! *hint* its in the quote, and its his quote!*

 

Now I agree with you that we should play some of these other guys more. But we did play them decent amounts. Head averaged 28 minutes a game this year and he ended up playing 24. Swift averaged 20 and he played 15. Probably should have played more. But didn't play much less.
And you yourself said that the other team was playing at 30% of their strength. Would they have benefited that much more playing against Denver's scrubs?

 

I mean that all year long Wesley has averaged 5 more minutes than Head. And in this game that's pretty much how it ended up, him playing 5 more minutes. Should Head have gotten more minutes than Wesley? Yeah, I agree. Is it that big a deal? I don't think so. Especially against a team playing their scrubs. But you brought it up, so you must think it's noteworthy.

 

Wow, thanks for being so helpful...I can't really see his post without you quoting it.