I did not burn any bridges other than with the guy I was working for, I had many conferences with the CEO about him and just had reached the end of my rope. The CEO called me and we had a great chat, he knows he has a problem and is going to fire the guy in a few weeks...... Honestly, I told the board that I would happily come back and fix the company if they tired of the circles that management was currently running them in..... I figure....they got 2 months.... Look, just do what you feel is right in your heart, you know when it would hurt your friends or not..... DD
DD and everyone else, Thanks for the congrats. I am really excited about this new job. I still haven't gotten my official offer letter from their HR department, so I still can't officially resign. Once I have that letter in hand, I will prepare my resignation letter and then give it to my HR director at my current (fixing to be old) job. I will mention about a 2 week notice in my letter. I'm a little surprised that more people haven't come out against giving 2 weeks; I had read an article last week in which this one author felt pretty much the same way that DD does. You don't owe the company anything.
I was going to rip DD but your comment made me think about it more. Okay, thought about it. Screw that. It's called courtesy. And my courtesy is not a reflection of a situation. As a ex-proprietor I do appreciate a 2 week notice. And I can't imagine DD would accept quick departures...maybe it's the nature of his business, but it is not a precedent I think we should start. And Manny, if it is your nature to give a 2 week notice, I think you should. Don't change a part of you that you know to be a "good thing" just because of some outside influence.
Another way to look at it is how would you feel if there were company wide layoffs and they simply let you go without any sort of package?
Raccoon, when you fired someone did you give them 2 weeks notice? That is my point, it is 100% a position of courtesy, if they were courteous to you, then return the favor, if not....don't. Look at how they treated others when they were let go, did they give them notice? There is a lot of missing information here, Manny has to make his own decision based upon continuing relationships or not. At the end of the day, it is a job, you don't OWE them anything, you performed your job to the best of your ability and you got a better job. No one will care whether you gave 2 weeks notice in a month anyway. DD
Big difference. When someone is fired the split happens in a non-friendly way normally. I would think manny would want to leave in a friendly manner since he spent 10 yrs of his life there. 10 yrs is a big block of time to not have a reference for. Never burn bridges, its a small world Dada your industry is either different or people probably think you are an ahole but you don't know it
I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with DD on this.... I think everyone is answering this question based on their own personal work situations, so really, there IS no wrong answer. It's different for everyone. In my case, I would probably tell my boss that I tried to tell the new employer that I wanted to give 2 weeks but they wanted me right away. I'd stay until the end of the week and then bail. To be honest, a CHIMP could pretty much do my job, so it's not like I'd be leaving the company in a bind.... Ideally, I use all my vacation/sick days. Then I would tell the NEW company I was giving 2 weeks and tell the OLD company I had to start right away.....then take a 2 week vacation! Congrats, Manny!
Someone pissed on DD's cheerios, and he got pissed back and didn't give a rat's booty about leaving without a two-week notice. So? Manny Never said they treated him badly or that someone begrudged him. He just said he wasn't happy. He got what he wanted in the new job. It's a move UP for him. He doesn't need to burn bridges, he doesn't need to begrudge anyone by leaving in a pissy mood. I still think it's a two-week notice both as a courtesy, as a professional employee, and as a way to allow for a good transition, which can include your vacation... the worst they can say is "no" and pay you back the days you're due (sick, etc.). Be PROFESSIONAL. Keep your head up high. Don't be like THEM. Let THEM be the aholes. Congratulations, Señor Manny... make your own decision based on what you know about your own situation. We all have our opinions, but you're a professional employee. I think a CHIMP could do all our jobs, sir. Since we're on this here CF.net all effin' day. No?
I don't like to burn bridges, as in my industry, everyone seem to know everyone...I would give two weeks, but give them the option of whether they need you or not...Congrats!
DD, I've never had to fire anyone as a proprietor. (I think that might reflect the fact that I sought out my help versus putting a help wanted sign on the door) As a young manager, yes...mostly at the owners bidding. But there was a lot of personal growth between the two. I have been fired, bounced, let go, replaced, laid-off by the best of them. Should I change my character because of some outside circumstance? Nope. Obviously we're going to disagree on this (business side) as I disagree with my best friends all the time, but good sir, there is one person that should care: Manny. I still think how you get a job and leave a job directly affects one's character. And I would like to add, burning bridges is a very bad habit.
Over my 30+ years of employment, everyone I have ever known of that has been laid off, received a minimum of 2 weeks severance.
That's encouraging. I've been at my current job for the last 5 years and we've gone through several rounds of layoffs during that time. Every one that's gotten cut has been paid out their vacation days and nothing else.
As an example, my son was telecommuting and his telecommuting position was terminated. He could continue to work his job but he would have to commute. He chose to quit instead and he got two weeks pay. Obviously each company is different and their rules are subject to change on a whim. Obviously Manny needs to use his own experience to make his decision. Being in my present position for a long time, I would feel guilty if I simply up and quit. Even if I were upset with my company, I'd be leaving my co-workers and my boss (all of them have become friends) in a lurch.
Maintaining excellent relations with old firms and employers is very important (at least in my field), so I urge you to give them the notice. Describing it as a courtesy would be giving yourself a unfair amount of power in the employer-employee relationship (unless you're an indispensable Don Draper for your company); in this economy, you cannot afford to do anything that might lessen your future career advances so please don't think this is an option. As an individual, it is easier for you to type the notice up and send it to them so just do it.
Interesting that this thread came up cus I was recently called by my ex-employer asking if I could come work for them again. I didn't really burn any bridges when I left, but the circumstances weren't all that great either. I didn't really like the management much (although I loved the job) and they didn't particularly like me either. Anyways, I'll be starting again in a few months (part time, cus I don't ever wanna work full time for them). Point is, I guess keeping the bridge regardless of the situation is always a good idea. It's part time, but at least I can make a few bucks on the side now while looking for other jobs... or CFing all day at work (not really).
