Question About the NAACP (Not Meant to Be a Racist Thread!)

Tough luck - if you wish, I can email you a whole fricking research paper on the subject. More likely, you'll just want the link to the specific evidence, which can also be provided. No problem - I'll send it or post it when I get back to my desktop at home.

As to "discrediting" an argument - I was just point out your shoddy language. Discrediting isn't precisely what you're doing - you're discrediting the evidentiary basis of the argument, but that's not the argument itself. The issues are separate.

Tautology alert! Tautology alert! This is meaningless

We're not speaking of rampant income redistribution, we're speaking of rebuttressing lower income area schools. If you're opposed to wealth transfer, then perhaps you should concern yourself with the entire rural West. That area (a Republican stronghold, amusingly) is a huge financial drain on the rest of the US. Far more money goes in than out.

Goal of America? Where did you find this? I didn't know that America had goals. I was under the impression that America is a nation formed by a social contract with certain explicit (and a few implicit) rules. None of these include goals.

Alas, logical fallacies abound. Your argument that America's "goal" is to develop the "best performers possible" does not support the subsequent assertion that one providing equal opportunity at an early level will lead to mediocrity.

You're begging the question. There's no argument here - merely a conclusion, and then a correllative of the conclusion.

Generally speaking, superior early education leads to superior development. This is non-specific to particular "types" of people, be they wealthy or disadvantaged. Providing superior education to all students might create mediocrity, I suppose, in a definitional sense - there would be fewer "poor quality" students, creating a broader normative conditions and fewer lower deviations.

The point is remarkably easily addressed. Statistically, most minorities are poorer than whites. Hence, the self-perpetuating economic inequalities in our society disadvantage minorities more than whites. Simple math.

Once again, I wonder if you even bothered to read my original post. From the begining, I maintained that I did not believe much de jure or actual discrimination in the form of employment, admission, etc still exists. There are exceptions that I also maintain, such as the preponderancy of black males to receive the death penalty. If you wish to receive this data, leave your email address in this thread.



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Manny --
Don't let his flowery language and holier than thou attitude deceive you. I still haven't seen any substance or evidence from him. I'm done responding to his posts until I see something (and no I'm not posting my email address on the board). His "simple math" isn't even on target. sigh. There are far more whites that are poor than any other minority group in terms of absolute numbers.

 

Yeah Manny, cause he broke TJ down like a bunk bed. Holy, flowery, sigh or whatever!

 

Let's be clear...Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. His job is to rile people up so they call his show and keep listening.

In fact...there are heightened protections for minority members of the workforce. I held a job at a large company. There was a woman who happened to be an African-American who needed to be fired. Had I committed the same acts she did, I would have been fired on the spot, no questions asked. The boss told me that he could not fire her because he had to "build a case against her to fend off any discrimination suits." I would have been fired but she was not...sounds like a double standard to me.

 

AB --
What are you talking about? I still have my two lethal weapons unused! "Case closed" and "Game, Set, Match -- Thanks for Playing" are two arrows still sitting patiently in my quiver.
No argument is complete until busting one of those bad boys out.

 

Classic...gotta love the old standbys.

 

Of course there are probably 2/3 times as many whites as all minorities put together and 5/6 times as many whites as blacks "in terms of absolute numbers" but yeah carry on with your horrible argument.

 

Agreed. Not a good argument. I will say that poor knows no racial preference.

 

Well unless you read the census and check the poverty rates among the races.

 

NO.

 

Timing, was it really necessary to pull slave reparations into this thread? We have had about 10 of those already and I'm sure you could just bring one of them back from the dead.

 

Please don't. The issue has been done so many times and each thread wound up with over 100 posts. I don't think there's anything substantive to add at this point.

 

Its the same ****. Except, what I've observed, if you aren't black and are a friend you can say it without any dirty looks.

 

Yeah it was really necessary. I didn't want to dreg up some month old thread to simply point out something that Papa Bush said which contradicts Supreme Court Justice Refman's claims. If I pulled up one of those old threads people would complain just as well. Now that it's been shown I'll go delete it just for you mateo.


Move on... there's nothing to see here.

 

No, you can't.

 

Dude, I knew that personality was in there somewhere.

 

Trade Jorge:

The study I referred to is known as the "Baldus Study." There have been several versions of this. One of the early ones (perhaps the first, though I'm not sure) was hte evidence for the decision in McCleskey v Ferguson. The study has since been updated periodically. It's a pretty famous one that uses techniques good enough to base legal decisions on it.

 

mmm... concise.

-glad to see you're still here haven. I always felt you were one of the brightest kids on the board; well, at least when you agreed with me.

But Timing slices and dices. Timing, might I say... I still don't understand the Rebecca Lobos/horsey thing... but you rock anyway.