Quanell X humiliated, marginalized by large crowd in Pasadena

How is he not in imminent danger when they are coming at him at HIS house in HIS yard despite the fact that he is pointing a shotgun at them? Why would anyone go at someone holding a gun if they had no intent to harm them. This is pure speculation on my part, but in my opinion I don't think they thought he had the balls to shoot so they started towards him and fell dead in his yard. Please do explain.

 

Is it ok for me to go Shoot Dope Dealers in the Face?
I mean . .. they are criminals?

How about I go to the post office. . look at the most wanted pictures
and track them down and kill them too . . .

how about I wear a gun on my hip and when I see the next person I think is a criminal l . .. . . I tell him to DRAW . . and when he reaches for his cell phone . . i put two in him and say i thought he was going to his gun


The Basics of this thread to me is this
EVERYONE arguing for Joe Horn are BASICALLY OK WITH VIGILANTE-ISM
They are quite ok with someone killing criminals . . . .
Let's just put it in plain Language. . . if you a criminal . . . OPEN SEASON

Rocket River

 

I think alot of this has to do with people not agreeing that you have a right to defend yourself. Because if you are not totally sold on that then its obviously much harder to argue that to defend yourself you need to:


---defend your castle.

---be allowed the proper tools to defend yourself



"Use a bat, get a dog, lock your doors, use a knife," Its not that they think those arguments are valid, they just disagree with the basic concept.

 

Nice!

A little beyond my moral compass but I like the way you are thinking.

 

No, Nation of Islam gave him the boot right after he made that "go rob white people" comment.

 

If you want to be ignorant and go out and do all that, go ahead by all means, but it is illegal and you will go to jail for a long time. This is completely different than what Joe Horn did. He felt he was in danger on his property. This isn't about going around town looking for criminals, it is about the right to defend yourself on your property.

So by being against Joe Horn, your saying you would rather have crazy criminals in your house putting your son, daughter, wife and yourself etc. in danger and all you can do is throw the phone at them and yell really loud while the 911 operator tells you to calm down? I don't know about you, but I want to have more power in the situation to defend my family with deadly force if need be. This is not about being a Vigilante it is about rights and being able to defend yourself on your property.

 

I second that!

 

Screw him. He plays for the Atlanta Falcons now. They stink with him or without him.

 

To be fair, it was his neighbors property, but I think they came at Joe Horn on his property after leaving his neighbors and it was there that the confrontation happened.

DD

 

No, that's not it at all.

I have no problem with self-defense.

I have a problem with using lethal force to defend property...particularly when there's no imminent danger because someone is robbing your neighbor's home and your neighbors aren't home. As I understand it, in most states in the Union, there is no legal justification for killing someone simply because you're defending property...be it your own or someone else's.

 

What if they didn't? Would he be justified in going over to his neighbors' house, inserting himself into the situation, and killing the men if they didn't come at him?

 

If he doesn't theres going to be a problem.

 

So now it is ok to be racially motivated as long as it is the right people being racially motivated? Seems odd. Can you please post an entire flowchart of what people get to be racially motivated and against which races they can be racially motivated and still be ok? I'd hate to get this one wrong.

I'll bite. Charged with what? I don't think there is a charge cognizable by the Penal Code for what happened here.

Because this has been proven to work so well in the past?

I hate to quibble, but Mr. Horn did not merely believe these to be burglars. They were burglars, and it appears he knew it, not just that he believed it to be the case.

So it's ok to engage in reverse racism as long as it is a worthwhile cause. Can you post another flowchart to let us know what causes are ok to be racist for, and against what race it is ok? Thanks...I had no idea it has become so complex.

 

Shooting someone in the back that's murder there no threat at that point.

 

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This guy used to work with me. He's on top of legal things. He makes good points. Please listen (13 minutes).

 

That gets fuzzy for me, I am not sure. I believe in citizens arrests etc, and helping out your neighbors, so perhaps.

DD

 

Well, this is what I get for having to do real work today... a 7 page thread on a guy I've never heard of...

Can someone summarize this thread in a paragraph or two? Thanks.

 

To follow up on MadMax's post this wasn't a case of self-defense as as much as the robbers put themselves in that position so did Horn. ON the tape the 911 operator clearly tells him not to go outside and place himself in danger to which Horn replies that he is going to go outside and kill them. That shows he clearly intended to put himself into the path of possible harm but even more so that he had an intent to kill.

The argument that he acted out of self-defense went out the window as soon as he ignored the advice of the 911 operator.