Quanell X humiliated, marginalized by large crowd in Pasadena

There was a follow up 9-11 call and some articles after the fact have mentioned that he tried to make a citizens arrest and they came at him and he shot them.

As I understand it.

I think one of them was in his yard, and the other was running away.

DD

 

Protesting that your family member got shot while robbing a home has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Seriously,the world has gone insane.

I look at people who break into people's house the same way I do rapists. I think they are capable of anything.

Shooting them is much better than letting them get away. It isn't punishment. It is self defense.

 

YUP...

sorta like eating mcdonalds 3x/day for 20 yrs then suing mcdonalds for being over weight and at risk for a heart attack...

i understand that death is a little extreme for burglary but we wouldnt be having this conversation had they not have been breaking the law in the first place.

 

What does he say right before he shoots? It's not halt or stop or freeze.

If I did what he did, I too would claim that they came at me. I wouldn't want to go to prison for killing two low lifes, but we'll never know. We just have the tapes and clearly his attitude before he goes out there was not that he was gonna hold them til the police get there, he said he was going to kill them and it's what happened.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. It's cliched but it's true.

 

so if someone robs and rapes a woman, then murders her. he shouldnt be put to death?

i know that was an extreme example but there has to be consequences for breaking the law.

these 2 burglars died while breaking the law. the responsibility lies on the burglars. if you dont want to die, dont break into people's homes.

 

you are right about one thing, your anaolgy is extreme. it has no place in this discussion.

 

The world is a better place without them in it.....if they never did the crime in the first place they would be alive today.

DD

 

It's not extreme at all. I posted this in the other thread.

http://www.inman.com/inmannews.aspx?ID=11734


Home burglaries
What to do if your home is burglarized--Part 1 of 2

Friday, December 11, 1998

Having your property stolen and your safe haven entered without your permission can be unsettling at best.

While Carol Willis enjoyed a vacation out of town at her parent's house, burglars went through her Orange County apartment and took everything of value.

"When I discovered what happened, I was horrified," says the marketing executive. "Before that burglaries were just statistics I heard on TV. I never dreamed it could happen to me."

Willis's surprise at having her house broken into isn't uncommon, says Lt. Ross Moen, officer in charge of Wilshire detectives of the Los Angeles Police Department. Despite the fact that there were 1.2 million residential burglaries in the U.S. in 1996, according to FBI statistics, and almost 299,000 in California in 1997, "people generally don't think that their time has come," says Moen. "Instead they are usually very shocked that their safe haven has been invaded."

When they hear the word burglary, many people think of monetary loss. The truth is, those individuals who have been burglarized find that the emotional damage can be much more devastating than losing material possessions. After a burglary, it's normal to experience a variety of emotions, including a feeling of being violated, helplessness, anger, sadness and fear.

The key to healing after such a trauma, say experts, is to let these emotions run their course.

Perhaps the hardest thing to deal with after being burglarized is the nagging realization that your private space has been invaded by a stranger, says psychologist Mory Framer. "People who've been burglarized used to believe that their home was the last safe place, but that security has been breached and they feel violated," says Framer, who has experience treating individuals involved in traumas such as bank robberies and explosions.

Most burglary victims take this intrusion into their private world very personally. "For many people their home, which they see as an extension of themselves, has been penetrated and defiled and that which was valuable brutally taken," says L. J. West, M.D., a professor of psychiatry at UCLA.

This feeling of being violated is more common among women than men. "Some psychoanalytic studies show that many women identify their homes with their bodies," says West. "They tend to decorate their homes in the same manner in which they dress. So when their home is violated, they feel violated."

Another common feeling burglary causes is helplessness, says Framer. "If the police come and can't find fingerprints and don't seem to have many clues, you may think no one cares," he says. "Even though logic tells you they deal with a lot of burglaries, emotionally you feel like yours is the special case."

Accompanied by this feeling of helplessness is often a fantasy about seeking revenge on the person who stole from you, says Framer.

Anger is also common, says Amy Stark, Ph.D., a Tustin psychologist who specializes in child and family therapy. She had her office burglarized three times before they installed an alarm system.

"You are usually angry at a lot of people," she says. "The jerk who stole from you, the police (where were they anyway?), society (what's wrong with everyone?) and yourself for not having safeguarded your property well enough."

It is especially heart-breaking when you lose irreplaceable items during a burglary. "Items such as artifacts, pictures and jewelry that were given to you by your parents or other significant people are links to your past, and it is very painful to lose them," says Framer, who had a rare and valuable watch given to him by his father stolen from his home.

"Personal, nostalgic items, whether they are valuable or not, are irreplaceable," says Stark. "Their sentimental value is immeasurable and you will probably always be sad about losing them."

After that first burglary, Willis's home was broken into three more times. "The first time, I was younger and hadn't accumulated much," she says. "They stole my television and stereo, but insurance replaced them. What was really upsetting was the third and fourth burglaries when they stole irreplaceable jewelry that had been given to me over the years." Now Willis keeps all of her good jewelry in a safe deposit box.

Perhaps the most unsettling emotional reaction to being burglarized is fear. "Most of us think of our home as a safe castle, and it's very frightening to have that last bastion of our security breached," says Framer. "It's not uncommon for burglary victims to feel unsafe and have trouble sleeping." For some people sleeplessness can last a couple weeks, while others will remain hypervigilant and easily startled out of slumber for many months afterward.

Whatever you do after a burglary, never minimize your feelings. "People may say to you, thank goodness you weren't home. Although it is fortunate you weren't harmed, it doesn't mean you shouldn't feel anything," says Framer. "You've been intruded upon and it's okay to feel badly."

To make yourself feel better after a break-in, there are several things experts suggest doing and not doing.

"While your first instinct may be to move, don't act on that initial reaction; wait and see if you still feel that way in a few weeks," says Framer.

Instead of wringing your hands, the best approach is to take preventative action. "Be aware and informed and educate yourself, because that is likely to give you some control and power back," says Framer.

Contact your local police and have them come out and talk to your neighborhood about burglary prevention and what you can do to make your home more secure. Form a neighborhood watch, which will make you feel less alone and could very well prevent future burglaries.

"Every possible precaution you can take is positive because it gives you a feeling of empowerment," says Stark. "Just don't go overboard and barricade yourself in your home."

No matter how much you do to protect yourself against burglary, it's also important to realize that lightening does strike twice or even four times as in Willis's case.

"There is no absolute immunity from anything in this world," says Framer. "You can take every possible precaution and still be vulnerable."

Even though Willis took the police's advice and did everything they suggested after her first burglary, she was burglarized again. At one point she even moved to a nicer neighborhood and thought she was finally safe, but she came home one day to an open door and a missing VCR. She had apparently scared the burglar out the back.

"I remember thinking that I just couldn't get away from it all," she says. "I did everything you were supposed to do, but it happened over and over, and it was really hard to feel secure."

Whether you're burglarized once or four times like Willis, one thing is for sure, you're not likely to ever forget the experience.

"It's very scary to have a stranger in your home uninvited, and a part of you will always remember that it happened," says Stark, who never leaves valuables in the office anymore. "Since it occurred once, you know that it could occur again and it makes it very hard to plan ahead--it's like the threat of an earthquake."

Since she married seven years ago, Willis hasn't been burglarized. She is aware, however, that it could happen again at any time.

"When I'm the last one to leave the house and I'm locking up, I think about it every single time," she says.

 

I find it extremely disturbing that someone would compare having your television stolen out of your home to rape.

it is an offense to any woman who has been sexually assaulted and I hope you don't have any loved ones who have because I'm sure they would find the comparison deplorable.

 

Doctor Dolittle, tell that to L. J. West, M.D., professor of psychiatry at UCLA.

 

tell that to a woman who's been raped doctor jerk. go tell her, I feel your pain, someone stole my stereo. I can't get over it. its caused me to have trust issues in all subsequent relationships because i think my girlfriend will steal my wallet.


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did i not acknowledge that is was an extreme example...

the point i was trying to make is that there are and should be consequences for breaking the law...

 

who argued that there are no cosequences to burglary. just like quannell x, your example was only meant to inflame, not discuss.

 

Yeah, and it's up to our legal system to take care of that unless its an actual case of self defense which this clearly wasn't.

If the rule of law is followed by the book, there are consequences in store for Mr. Horn as well.

 

studies like this with vague statements are dubious at best.


edit some studies

many women

those aren't definitive statements

 

I'll trust the highly educated, knowledgeable person on this matter.

 

you'll trust what you want to believe. and that's fine, i'll trust common sense on this one.

 

Woah, there is nothing common about sense.



DD

 

like it was discussed in the other thread...

it all depends on how the prosecutor interprets the law on the use of deadly force.

here we go again...

from: http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm

Protection of the Property of Others

"A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect the property of a third person if he reasonably believes he would be justified to use similar force to protect his own property, and he reasonably believes that there existed an attempt or actual commission of the crime of theft or criminal mischief."

"Also, a person is justified in using force or deadly force if he reasonably believes that the third person has requested his protection of property; or he has a legal duty to protect the property; or the third person whose property he is protecting is his spouse, parent or child."