Quanell X humiliated, marginalized by large crowd in Pasadena

Or just use better excuses for his not so sly anti USA remarks.

 

I love this country. That doesn't keep me being critical of it when I think it needs to improve.

 

Ding ding! Not one of the Horn supporters has been able to avoid this fallacy.

 

A couple of Colombian gang members involved in the drug trade burglarize Mr. Horn's neighbor's house, then come within 15 feet of Mr. Horn (where they were shot in the chest) shortly thereafter and that is NOT self defense?

What planet are you living on? Seriously. Would you not feel threatened if charged by two burglars who just got done robbing an adjacent house?

The new castle doctrine as of Sep 1 renders his action legal, regardless of whether this is self defense anyway.

Losing argument on your part, Max. I'm just surprised that you actually had the stones to actually take a position on something. That's rare for you.

 

1. The defense of self defense to murder takes into account only what was in the mind of the person...he knew nothing of the guys' criminal record. It's entirely irrelevant.

2. He wasn't chased by burglars. He engaged them with a shotgun outside. Then started firing. After being told by the authorities not to...and arguing that he was "gonna kill 'em" 13 times. No way in the world that meets the test of self-defense.

3. I agree the castle doctrine may protect him. I don't like that law.

4. Why so personal?

 

Good job, it is not relevant. I'm glad you caught that because I was not the one who brought up the whole announce thing.

So to sum up:

 

Well he knew they were burglars right? Thats gonna come up on any job interview.

 

What was in his mind was he just saw a couple of burglars rob a house, then come at him. That is self defense in its truest form, with or without the knowledge of their prior criminal background.

I agree. He was charged by burglars, which I stated. They came within 15 feet of him, at which point they were shot in the chest.

Your like or dislike for the castle doctrine has no bearing on the case's legal status.

 

1. Where did you read they came at him? He approached them with a shotgun. You can't tell someone you're going to kill someone....leave your house with a shotgun...and then claim self defense after you engage them. That's not how it works.

2. I never said my feelings about the law had any bearing on the case's legal status. I've said repeatedly that if the law protects this, I believe it needs to be changed.

 

are you sure horn didn't lure them into approaching him? horn did tell the 911 dispatcher that he's gonna kill them no matter waht and nothing's gonna stop him right?

 

I haven't seen the evidence that they were involved in a drug ring.

We also don't know that they charged. We do know that Horn shot one in the back as he attempted flee.

 

What is your source for that? I have not read that.

 

Sorry you were asked to cite your source first.

 

Horn went to where danger was. It did not come to him. He was warned not to go outside because it was dangerous. He has no claim of self defense since he confonted the burglars. You can hear that on the tape.

The castle doctine does not apply to this case. It wasn't his castle and he wasn't asked to guard someone else's castle.

 

without reading the thread, two punks who were breaking the law got shot because a neighbor of the victom feared for his safety.

Open and Shut case here, don't be a punk criminal and trespass and you won't get blasted.

F-those punks and F-Quanell and his racist ass

 

He wouldn't have feared for his safety if he had listened to the 911 operator.

You can't provoke a situation and then say you were scared for your life to use a self defense claim. That's not how the law works. Otherwise the two burglars in this case could have shot Mr. Horn when he pulled out the gun and then claimed self defense.

 

Castle doctrine includes the neighbor's house.

 

Define "neighbor."

 

http://cbs3.com/topstories/self.defense.shooting.2.569713.html

The legislator who authored the "castle doctrine" bill says it was never intended to apply to a neighbor's property.

It "is not designed to have kind of a 'Law West of the Pecos' mentality or action," Republican Sen. Jeff Wentworth told the newspaper. "You're supposed to be able to defend your own home, your own family, in your house, your place of business or your motor vehicle."

I think I will go with the guy's opinion who AUTHORED the bill and not yours.....

 

I saw an interview of Senator Wentworth about this on an Austin TV station. He did not look happy at all. This kind of incident wasn't his intention.



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