Qandeel Baloch murder highlights how honour killings are still a deep menace affecting Pakistan soci

Start killing the clerics that say it is permissible, see how long they keep saying that.

DD

 

You're absolutely right....except ...there is no such cleric would issue such thing,and if such crime took place it's rewarded with capital punishment ,since it's against Islam that I know, but yes countries that are undeveloped ,poor like the one Mathloom from sadly the practice exist ..

 

Actually I just read the article and mistook "the offense" to be the murder. That was a bit misleading. Anyway, change that last part to "why is offense committed by males even on there."

It seems like in most Muslim countries (even the south-Asian ones where honor killings seem to be "justified") there is equal views on men and women. But again I'm willing to wager almost all of these that actually happen are against women.

I understand the point now. To show that in middle eastern Muslim countries there is a huge divide in thinking that murdering a female is justified but a male is not.

I agree with that.

 

Atw why are you harsh on this guy ! He has been boat licking many of you hoping he can find a sponsor for work visa since forever..







.then he curses you when he gave up before he restart again..

 

What can you say??? The religion of hate strikes yet again. Anyone who cares to read the teachings of the Qu'ran and the Hadith know this.

 

Why do Christians kill regularly too?

 

Example please or I call BS???? Please provide examples of "CHristian" terroism. Do not point to the Crusades for which you would have no clue about without proper research. Without examples, I can only say that I doubt any TRUE Christians are involved in random killings unless it is from protection like shooting a burglar.

 

The most ironic part about cml's pathetic life is that he doesn't understand that he would be EXACTLY the type of individual who if born in a Muslim region would adamantly defend Islam.

He's a religious nut regardless of what vagina he happened to slip out of.

 

Hahahaha. You uneducated, ignorant, biased, bigoted, narrow-minded fool.

 

Oh, and before ATW comes in to admonish me for not condemning this act, what her brother did is absolutely despicable. Kudos to her for speaking out against gender roles. But barbaric acts like this need to stop, and Pakistan as a whole needs to step out of the dark ages and become more progressive. Sad and angering.

 

He has more in line with Muslim fundamentalists than most Muslims in the United States do.

 

Bring one verse from Quran or a reliable Hadith allow honour killing!
It's a tribal issue not a religion or Islam thing


This idiot Mathloom he gave an impression this honour killing has legitimate religious cover up while he attempt to score something against me,he stain Islam by claiming he know when he is clueless ...

He is exactly like the nice suicidal who take pride of not praying,not following any of Islam commandments ,but magically he is self proclaimed to be an expert..

Now that I called him idiot might sound offensive to you...but under check his post history of how...schizophrenic his posts

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

For your own local grown Christian bigotry. Would you like more links to radical Christian groups that do the same if not worse as these two Christian entities?

 

exactly. Repped.

 

Too late bro, you should have condemned it earlier in the thread. Your lateness is now suspicious.

 

The questions were asking their personal opinion, not what some cleric said. These are the exact questions/responses from the survey:

Spoiler

This is a very poor rationalization. If a majority or near majority think it is sometimes or even on occasion justified, that's a serious problem because it makes them less willing to put in place the reforms necessary to criminalize such acts.

The percentage of people who think it is some times justified, even if just in rare cases, is too high pretty much across the board. The problem looks to be worse in Arab and South-Asian countries, true.

This shows that the issue is also linked to people who favor making Sharia the law of their country:

I'm glad to learn there's been very good progress in your country on this issue. I agree, empowering women looks to be the main way to resolve it.

If you could show me evidence that there's a population where even just 10% thinks it is sometimes justified to murder someone else for money, please go ahead.

Thousands of people are killed each year, the vast majority of which are women. But the problem, beyond the sheer numbers, is that a significant portion of the populations in many Muslim-majority countries think that these kind of killings are sometimes justified. Maybe it doesn't seem like a big deal to you, but that's astonishing to me.

There's a lot of horrible stuff in the world, and you can put state militarism or terrorism at the front of the list. That doesn't mean we should pretend honor killings isn't a serious problem, particularly in Muslim populations. Reform is possible, as you've pointed out in some Gulf states. But such reform can't take place without recognizing there's a problem. And that recognition needs to take place in those countries. I accept that it probably doesn't do anyone in those countries much good for us to be talking about this on Clutchfans.

 

Someone may have pointed this out already, but the "offense committed" is referring to the offense for which the person was killed, not the honor killing itself. I also was initially confused by that wording when I read it.

 

Yup... Many Muslims in the states vote democrat which means the implicitly support gay marriage. Knowing a significant amount of Muslim millennials who were born and raised in the States, most of them are far more socially liberal than your typical right wing evangelical by a LARGE margin.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing_in_Pakistan

[rquoter]
Most honour killings are encompassed by the 1990 Qisas and Diyat Ordinance, which permits the individual and his or her family to retain control over a crime, including the right to determine whether to report the crime, prosecute the offender, or demand diyat (or compensation). This allows serious crimes such as honour killings to become "privatised" and to escape state scrutiny, shifting responsibility from the state to the individual. Under Islamic Sharia law, the punishment for murder, homicide or infliction of injury can either be in the form of qisas (equal punishment for the crime committed) or diyat (monetary compensation payable to the victims or their legal heirs). These concepts are applied in different ways in different Islamic systems.

In Pakistan, the right to waive qisas, or punishment, is given to the family of the victim. If and when the case reaches a court of law, the victim's family may 'pardon' the murderer (who may well be one of them), or be pressured to accept diyat (financial compensation). The murderer then goes free.[28] Courts have used provisions like this to circumvent penalties for honour killings. Once such a pardon has been secured, the state has no further writ on the matter although often the killers are relatives of the victim. Human rights agencies in Pakistan have repeatedly emphasized that women falling prey to karo-kari were usually those wanting to marry of their own will. In many cases, the victims held properties that the male members of their families did not wish to lose if the women chose to marry outside the family. More often than not, the karo-kari murder relates to inheritance problems, feud-settling, or to get rid of the wife, for instance in order to remarry.[3][/rquoter]