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Put Phil Jackson on the Clippers and lets see how many rings he gets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by RKREBORN, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. Akim523

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    And a slutty mum and horny teammate can stop you whenever they want.
     
  2. pacmania

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    You don't have to put him on the Clippers , all you have to do is put him on the Lakers without Gasol.

    The real deal that disrupted the balance of power in the NBA was the Gasol Deal.

    But you have to hand it to him he knows how to build championship chemistry given the right pieces.

    Without Gasol though, the Lakers couldn't get past Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns. Kudos to Jerry West, the General manager of the decade for bringing Gasol to LA.

    I hope Rudy Tomjanovich gets a job as GM somewhere.....
     
  3. v3.0

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    Jerry West was neither the Lakers GM nor the Grizz GM when the Gasol trade happened.

    Rudy T made some major gaffe moves and handing out bad contracts after the Hakeem era (CD was GM but Rudy had as much power in personnel decisions). I love Rudy for bringing us 2 rings but he made some major mistakes that set us back for awhile after the 2 rings.
     
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    totally agreed.

    if you to
    build a team from the ground up, Larry Brown is the best coach for that, not Phil

    build the best defense, TT is the best for that, not Phil.

    win a ring, PJax is the best coach for that, not Brown nor TT​
    Mavs have been a perennial contender for the last decade, but could never get over the hump. Cuban screwed up; he had the chance to get Phil as the coach, but chickened out because of Phil's salary demand. had Cuban pulled the trigger, phil would have guided the Mavs (w Nash and Dirk) to at least 2 rings.

    same story with the Maloof brothers, whose team, the Sacto Queens (had been contenders from the late 90s to early 2000, had a chance to sign Phil after he had retired from the Lakers. had Phil been the coach, instead of Idleman, the Queens would won at least one ring.
     
  6. adoo

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    you conveniently ommitted to mention the KG and Ray Allen deals :rolleyes:
     
  7. pacmania

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    This has been the subject of many articles by the press in the past, you can try to research this. Jerry West was not the general manager, but he was very instrumental in RECOMMENDING his successor, Chris Wallace, and for the latter getting the job. Hence the latter had a debt of gratitude to repay and you cannot rule out Jerry West's influence even as an ex gm.
     
  8. pacmania

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    Not as lopsided as the Gasol deal.
     
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    About Rudy T, my flow of thought was like this. Ex lakers player Jerry West used his sphere of influence to consummate the Gasol Deal.

    Ex celtics players Mchale and Ainge, negotiated the Garnett Deal.

    So Rudy T, ex rockets player hmmmm....
     
  10. adoo

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    what an easy comparison !

    Boston Celtics,
    • a perennial non-playoff team of late was gifted by 2 HoFers which immediately catapaulted the team to win the ring
    or

    LA Lakers,
    • a perennial playoff team who was gifted by a 2-time all-star, but probably not HoF meterial
     
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    you have to factor in what the other team gave up to determine which team was actually "gifted".
     
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    this is quite a long article but you guys might be interested to read it.

    Pau Gasol Trade

    Lakers Trade for Gasol Makes Other Teams Furious
    by David Lane Predictem.com

    The NBA’s Los Angeles Lakers, who suddenly look like favorites in the Western Conference, recently pulled the trigger on a trade in which they acquired the extremely talented seven foot All Star Pau Gasol for a handful of no-names in Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, the rights to Pau’s younger brother Mark Gasol, and two first round picks, a trade that made most wonder what the Memphis Grizzlies were thinking. Due to this move, after years of struggling just to get to the playoffs, the Lakers have realistic chances of winning NBA championships again. That fact has surely weighs on the mind of last years NBA Champion San Antonio Spurs Head Coach Greg Popovic, who remains openly ticked off about it.

    After a summer trade which saw the Boston Celtics move most of their bench - five players in all and a 2009 first round pick - including two fine young players in Al Jefferson and Sebastian Telfair to the Minnesota Timberwolves for perennial all star Kevin Garnett, both GM’s – Celtics Danny Ainge and T-Wolves Kevin McHale got their fair share of heat for working what looked like a homer trade. Since both former Celtics openly had strong desires to see their former team restored to former greatness, everyone knew what they were up too. Regardless, the Timberwolves were in need of some serious changes and since they received quite a bit back in return most became accepting of the transaction as Jefferson and Telfair look like cornerstones of the T-Wolves offense for many years to come, not to mention it's unknown what kind of talent Gerald Green may offer once the high flying dunking machine gets some NBA experience under his belt.

    The Lakers fleecing of the Grizzlies, however, makes the Celtics trade look fair and as impartial as any other. Unless Mark Gasol becomes as good as his brother, then Kobe Bryant should be thrilled with the Lakers front office for this one as he's been jawing for such a move for years. General Manager Mitch Kupchak certainly couldn’t have done much better than Pau Gasol, who creates a major offense presence for the Lakeshow not to mention it creates match-up issues with a front line of Bynum, Odom and Pau.

    Not only is Pau quick and agile for a seven footer, but due to his length almost every shot is virtually unstoppable.

    Known also on the world stage, he helped his native Spain win a championship in the 2006 FIBA basketball playoffs. Not only does he usually score over 20 points a game but he also boards well, blocks shots, is a high percentage shooter of both free throws and field goals and he even collects assists with his timely passing out of the block. Pau, a center/power forward in sixth NBA season, has become a very versatile, polished and complete player who thrives off of the competition and he continually rises to meet challenges.

    There really is no wonder why Popovic is angry about the trade. Although the Grizzlies claim to be dumping salary in order to make the franchise more attractive to perspective buyers, it’s awfully hard to forget the fact that Jerry West - whose silhouette makes up the NBA insignia - not to long ago stepped down as general manager there. If Ainge and McHale bleed Celtic green then there is no doubt that West bleeds Lakers purple and gold. After his departure, curiously enough, nobody was hired to replace him and team Vice President of Operations Chris Wallace, who has apparently assumed his duties, claims to be trading for the future. Certainly, Wallace isn’t a basketball guy which only fuels the possibility that West was pulling the strings.

    After Wallace had challenged execs who’d spoken out against the trade to go on the record with their opinion, Popovic had this to say, “The L.A. move is great for L.A,” he told the San Antonio Express-News. “What they were thinking in Memphis is beyond comprehension. There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense.” Hopefully, the trade committee part was a joke so that the NBA will not become a fantasy league anytime soon. He went on to say that he would elect himself to that committee and then he would have voted no on the trade.

    Reading between the lines in these situations is often very telling and what Pops is saying and saying loudly is that this unfair trade is very possibly going to cost him anymore runs at NBA Titles. Not only is this Lakers team loaded with talent, the talent is also very young with a nucleus that could play together for many years. Thus far, early returns have been very telling as the Lakers are a win tonight in Minnesota away from a league record breaking seventh win in nine tries all on the road!

    If that isn’t proof enough of their resurgence since the trade, they’re 8-1 against the spread in their last nine games overall and 7-1 against the spread in their last eight road games. Over the last three games, Bryant and Gasol have combined to score an average of 56 points and most importantly, their chemistry seems flawless. ”There is a God!” was Kobe’s initial reaction to his new teammate and it also was very telling.

    The NBA has to be enjoying things as it looks as though both the Celtics and the Lakers have re-established their long lost dynasties. What each team has realized is that one terrific player is much harder to find than a bunch of pieces. Coach Phil Jackson’s squad has an outstanding core of young players in Bryant, Gasol, Andrew Bynum when he returns and Lamar Odom, that will lead to a lot of wins and will pay dividends in the not too distant future. Throw in seasoned veteran Derek Fisher and a few role players in Luke Walton, Rony Turiaf, a much improved Sasha V. and others and this team looks as if though it has endless potential. The big key here is IF THEY CAN JUST STAY HEALTHY. If so, we may see a team that is in contention for titles year after year thanks to Memphis and their ‘cost cutting’ hey ways.
     
  13. adoo

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    Pacmania:

    have you notice the article didnot mention the Allen gift. ??? :eek:
     
  14. pacmania

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    didn't really notice that. Guess there was more smoke coming from the Garnett trade as two former celtics were cooking something in the kitchen.

    You know as the saying goes, " where there's smoke, there's fire".
     
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    Rudy T is part of the Lakers organization, they got Artest and won another title even with him. We got Ariza and...well got many houses built with him.
     
  16. pacmania

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    Are you saying Rudy T screwed us? :)

    I wish Rudy T was the manager of the grizzlies we could've probably traded tmac, rafer alston, and JVG for Pau Gasol. Yao and Pau has a nice ring to it. anyway, we don't need to cheat because we have our resident GM boy wonder Daryl Morey!!!
     
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    great players + great coaches = rings

    Red Auerbach wasn't winning many championships before Bill Sharman, Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn, and Bill Russell
     
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    HOW on earth do you put Thibs above all other head coaches in the NBA before he has lead a team himself? Seriously I am asking what he has done to garner such praise...
     
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    Phil Jackson was Fortunate enough to Coach Players like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Pippen etc in their peek times. I won't be surprised if he go to another team that will have Lebron. Talent definitely matter but you still have to be a very good coach to win 11 Championships.....
     
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    Former Rocket
     

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