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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Dec 19, 2025 at 7:25 PM.

  1. basso

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    you seem to not be aware of the Great White Fleet.
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    Named after who?
     
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    There's a reason they started mothballing all the battleships after WWII and didn't make any new ones to repalce them.

    Battleships are defined by heavy armor belts which made them capable of shrugging off damage from the main guns of other ships. Thst is the naval definition of a battleship. The paradigm was the HMS Dreadnought launched by the Brittish around 1900. The tradeoff is all that armor made them slow as hell and extremely immobile which makes them floating targets. But they were basically almost bulletproof, so it was a solid tradeoff. Doesn't matter if you can hit them easily if you can't sink them.

    The problem is durring WWII people went all in on aircraft carriers that could shoot torpedos or drop bombs on those battleships and sink them and radar guided fire control that made zeroing in on them easy. After WWII people invented chemical warheads (shaped charge) and sea skimming cruise missiles with huge warheads that could cut through anything and standoff guided missiles fired ftom airplanes out of range of battleship guns and all kinds of other crap that has no problem burning through armor belts no matter how thick it was.

    So what you end up with is big, slow, unmanuverable ships with armor that can't stop any weapons designed to sink ships. That is why literally every navy in the world got rid of their battleships and nobody has made any for 50 years.

    The only reason Reagan reactivated them in the 80s was to use them as big floating gun barges to shoot deep onshore, but only when there was no chance of being shot at by opposing forces. You could only use them when you had total naval dominstion, and a very long period of time to stage them because they were so slow.

    If they really are actual by-the-definition battleships they are ****ing obsolete boondogles and will be completely useless deathtraps in real modern naval conflict. They will be suicide machines.

    More likely they are cruisers or destroyers that Trump is choosing to call battleships because he thinks it sounds cool. That's major small dick energy, but I guess its better than sending thousands of Americans to their certain death so Trump can LARP as naval commsnder at The Battle of The Surigao Strait.

    Its either branding bullshit and ego onanism, or a dilettante going all in on the foolishness of hopelessly obsolete paradigm because he watched Victory at Sea too many times at 3am after an aderall binge. Neither is a particularly good look.

    I guess it'll make the rubes feel strong and stand up and cheer, though. That's about the only thing Trump's good at. I promise you every foreign navy is either scratching their head or laughing. Its like Trump just announced a new line of Trump-Sopwith Camel biplanes or new Trump branded horse calvary divisions. A retro-navy is not a good idea. I know Trump.wants.to return the nation.to the 1850s, but reinvesting in obsolete 19th century technology is taking it too far.
     
    #23 Ottomaton, Dec 22, 2025 at 10:58 PM
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2025 at 11:09 PM

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