It's only cheap if the offensive player initiates the contact. Nothing wrong w/ pump faking and causing the defender to jump. It's when the shooter jumps into the jumper on purpose that is a little shady ...
More impressive than the dunk these days is watching players adjust to contact in mid air and still hit the shot. For pure ooh's and aah's, the and-1 is a crowd pleaser. Definitely nowhere near flopping. If a defender decides to hop in the popcorn machine, they should expect to get slathered in butter and mindlessly consumed at the line. Continuation calls are the ones that strike me as cheap. I don't know exactly how the rule is written. Don't you have to keep the ball up and not take a million steps? Seems like some guys get more slack than others, but I suppose that's true of any rule.
The only thing is, that if a player jumps straight up and the offensive player jumps INTO that guy, I don't want to see a foul called. DD
This was one of my favorite moves by T-Mac. I remember in the Toyota Center during 07-08 season when Gwen Stefani's Sweet Escape would be playing, T-Mac would do this play. During the woo-hoo, yahoo part of the song, T-Mac would fake the jump shot and get his man in the air and then pull back and hit a jumper. That was classic! As a result that song became my favorite song of all-time.
I don't even have a problem with the offensive player jumping into the defender. If you don't go for the pump fake, you don't have to worry about it. Defense 101.
In my opinion . . . if YOU INITIATE the contact. . the foul is on you Jumping into someone is crap. Whether they are inside the b*tch circle or not. ESP when you just flip the ball with no chance in hell of going in. . . . IT ISN'T EVEN A REAL SHOT! Rocket River
Anytime you're exploiting a play where its not clear who initiated the contact, knowing that the refs are inclined to grant the foul in favor of the offensive team, that's cheap. A lot of times, the shooter is initiating the contact.
The move isn't cheap by itself. However, the refs call it wrong most of the time which makes it seem like a cheap play IMO.
its not cheap but it is a lil soft the when the bump is hardly noticeable like last nite when Carter barely grazed Pierce with the fake but its well within the confines of the game and is a valuable savvy move
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but its still a foul like when Duncan made popular of bringin the ball thru the defenders outstretched arm in the shooting motion and initiating contact to draw the whistle.. slightly cheap but a smart savvy move
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I voted yes because a lot of times its BS. When the defender jumps toward the shooter and the shooter jumps into him, thats one thing. But when the defender goes straight up and the shooter awkwardly jumps forward into him to draw a foul thats just weak. If an offensive player initiates the contact it shouldn't be a foul. Its the same thing when offensive players just barrel into the bigs. The big doesn't have to do anything but stand there and there will be a foul called. Its lame. That said, I want my players to take any advantage the refs will give them. Kmart and Lowry are experts at both of these maneuvers, and I hope they can teach teh rest of the team these....skills.
terrible ****ing play. I hate it because it SHOULD be an offensive foul. The defensive payer jumps, but the offensive player leans into the defender. It's pathetic, I hated when tmac used to do it all the time
I've watched a lot of basketball, and I don't think I've seen anyone better at this than Kobe Bryant.
Play defense with your feet, not your hands. Shane Battier always falls for Kobe's fakes, but Shane is rarely called for the foul because he only aims to skip in front of Kobe to get a hand in his face. Most players these days try to jump as high as they can to block the shot. Smarter and better defenders would skip in front of their defenders to shield their face. Thus, even if they do fall for a fake, they won't initiate enough contact to be called for a foul. I think Kareem put it best. "The idea is not to block the shot, but to make your opponent think you will block it".
I agree with that, in theory. But really, it would just make more of a mess. The rules are messy enough as it is. Just play solid fundamental Defense and don't get pump faked into a stupid jump. Simple enough. Defenders need to study and play like Hakeem or Shane. Hakeem would wait till the offensive player left his feet before going for the block. Sometimes he even waited for the release before jumping up and swatting the shot. Shane of course never jumps at all but he puts his hand directly in front of the shooters face. He rarely goes for a real block unless its an easy one.
When Paul Pierce does it, it looks cheap. When anyone else does it, it's effective. Pierce draws fouls, no doubt, but the dude puts in a LOT of Hollywood in his fouls.
