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PuffHo: Presidents do not deserve to be reelected by default

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  1. basso

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    WASHINGTON -- In his Senate office, Barack Obama gave pride of place to a famous sports photo: Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay back then) howling in triumph over the dazed hulk of Sonny Liston, belly-up on the canvas.

    Like his boxing hero Ali, Obama is floating like a butterfly -- essentially untouched -- thus far in his presidential prizefight with Mitt Romney.

    And that is not good for anybody: for the country, for the voters, for the political parties or even for Obama and his administration.

    If American democracy is to work -- if we are to prevent the blood from clotting in the body politic -- presidential elections must be real contests over real ideas and real records, informed by real facts.

    This campaign hasn't really been any of those things.


    Presidents do not deserve to be reelected by default. If they did, why would anyone expect that a second term to be any better or wiser?

    And elected leaders need to be held to account -- pinned up against the wall, so to speak -- if citizens aren't to become utterly disillusioned with the idea that we live in a system of democratic self-government.

    On the surface, it is ridiculous to say that a president whose foes have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars worth of ads on his head is "untouched."

    It also is ridiculous to say that a president who has been hit with non-stop ridicule, contempt and even xenophobic hatred from some precincts of the Republican/conservative opposition is "untouched."

    But that is the truth.

    Look at the numbers. A year ago, the president's job approval rating was an abysmal 42.1 percent, his disapproval rating at 51.3. Today, his approval rating is 50 percent, his disapproval 46.3 -- an upward swing of more than 12 points.

    A year ago, voters' view of the future could hardly have been bleaker. By a margin of 76.8 percent to 16.8 percent, they thought the country was "off on the wrong track" rather than "headed in the right direction." Voters are hardly popping champagne corks today, but that yawning negative spread of 60 percentage points has closed to 17 percentage points (55.3 percent to 38.5 percent).

    And of course the president is well ahead on the Electoral College trends.

    He has managed to do all of this without having to seriously and substantively defend his first-term failed promises or shortcomings, and without having to say much, if anything. about what, if anything, he might do substantially differently if he is fortunate enough to win again.

    Unless I missed it, the president has yet to give a detailed answer to why he has failed to meet or even come close to his promises about reducing the unemployment rate. Saying that the task was harder than he initially thought isn't (or shouldn't be) a convincing explanation.

    He hasn't given a detailed answer as to why he and his top advisers, led by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, failed to focus sufficiently on reviving the housing market, rather than just bailing out banks.

    He hasn't explained why his own administration is now saying that at least 6 million Americans, most of them in the middle class, will indeed face a tax increase (penalty) in 2014 if they do not buy health insurance -- a new estimate substantially higher than earlier ones.

    He hasn't explained whether he shares any blame for the failure of budget talks on a grand compromise. And if the art of presidential leadership is to cajole your foes into doing deals they don't want to do, what are we to make of his famous charming effectiveness?

    He hasn't given a detailed defense of the vast expansion of the security state under his watch -- a policy that, in effect, has doubled down on the global war on terror-based approaches that his predecessor, President George W. Bush, initiated.

    He hasn't given a detailed explanation for why he didn't close Guantanamo, as he had promised he would.

    He hasn't said how, even with a Simpson-Bowles-style budget deal, the country is going to seriously grapple with long-term unfunded liabilities in the tens of trillions.

    I could go on.

    ......

    MEDIA. Obama was such a cool and uplifting story to so many in the media in 2008 that they essentially ceded ground to him that they have yet to reclaim. He ran a tightly controlled message campaign then, and has run an even more tightly controlled White House, with few press conferences and deep access only to those most likely to write positive stories. Univision didn't get the memo, and its reporters hammered the president about immigration last week. It was a rare moment. But, again, it was one upon which Romney could not capitalize. The last thing Mitt wants to do is start a debate on immigration, given how obnoxious his stance is to most Latinos.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    This piece points out something very important. Presidential elections are not just referendums on incumbents. Even just accepting everything in the article it still makes an incomplete argument. The alternative(s) still have to be considered.

    So yes Presidents shouldn't be elected by default and this election isn't the case because Obama does have opponents against him and one that has been nominated by the other major party and also well funded. Maybe Obama hasn't done a great job but the polls are showing that the US prefers him over the alternative of Romney.
     
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    In fact to illustrate my point this was the last line of the OP. (Bolded for emphasis)
    [rquoter]But, again, it was one upon which Romney could not capitalize. The last thing Mitt wants to do is start a debate on immigration, given how obnoxious his stance is to most Latinos. [/rquoter]

    Right there points out the problem about trying to argue that this shouldn't be an election by default. There is an alternative and that alternative isn't making the case.
     
  4. SuperBeeKay

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    isnt the only reason romney is in the race is because people blindly want a republican candidate without realizing half of the stuff he's supported on and off (which doesnt really make him a republican, does it?)

    THE IRONY OF THIS THREAD IS OFF THE CHARTS
     
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    Which would kind of refute your assertion that MR Obama hasn't done a good job.
     
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    Stewart last night summed this up so well. You scratch your head and wonder how the heck we ended up with an utterly incompetent challenger like Romney, until you remember the field of extremist clowns he ran against in the primary, and the fact that the party base only selected him in the end because they thought he would be the least odious of the lot.

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    PuffHo: Presidents do not deserve to be reelected by default

    Certainly true. It would be helpful if the other party nominated a competent opponent. Barring that, deserving or not, Presidents do get re-elected by default.
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    Umm.. I said "Maybe Obama hasn't done a great job" which is different than "good job". Anyway that was mostly a rhetorical statement but personally I don't think Obama has done a great job. I think he has done well given what he was faced with but I think he could've done much better on a variety of issues.
     
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    There didn't seem to be anything strange about John Huntsman. The deep pocketed neo-cons in the republican establishment just seemed to have a hard on for Romney the whole time.
     
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    Huntsman seemed like a good candidate, but he hadn't suffered the binding glare of a front runner yet.

    Not that i distrust our have any reason to, but with John Edwards, anything is possible...
     
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    Is Obama running unopposed?
     
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    I actually liked Huntsman. He has his head screwed on straight it seems.
     
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    Considering he dabbled in such heresies as that global warming might be caused by humans and that we might want to do something about it he didn't stand a chance in the primaries.

    That said I would like to see a charismatic moderate and / or socially liberal Republican politician take on the Tea Party and win back the party.
     
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    if he's reelected, look at the mess he'd inherit!
     
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    who's to say he hasn't capitalized on this, and every other failure of the Obama regency.

    we will find out in November.

    i'm feeling very good about the outcome.
     
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    basso, it's funny how you didn't highlight the following...

    Issue's got your tongue?

    Or is it the beginning of your realization that your candidate is far, far worse on this point?

    As long as the alternative is the current extremist version of the Republican party, centrist Democrats will be re-elected by default. Period.
     
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    Stewart and others are right in noting how lucky Obama has been as a candidate in terms of opponents since he became nationally known.

    Jack Ryan got a sex scandal and withdrew. The GOP replaced him with Alan Keyes (seriously). McCain began his self destruction by choosing dingbat Palin. Then kind of freaked out at the financial crisis. Now Romney has handed him several gifts.

    Who is his toughest opponent during these years? Likely Hillary Clinton. And it's no joke beating the Clinton machine.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Have you seen how Mitt Romney is polling among Latinos?

    I'm feeling good that Cal is going to the Rose Bowl, we all have our hopes.
     

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