Public schools would have to display Ten Commandments under bill passed by Texas Senate

No, I think

• government should not be pushing religion
• largely, Judeo-Christian values are good (but should still not be pushed by government)

Here is what should also not be pushed by government:

• woke bullshit
• trans activist ideology at the expense of women
• climate religion

 

What are "largely, Judeo-Christian values"?

"What do you think does displaying the Ten Commandments "groom" children for?" -- ATW

 

Yeah, we KNOW.

 

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...d-by-texas-senate.319467/page-3#post-14598855

 

So Judeo Christians want their ideology and values pushed over others, got it.

 

So are you against the state mandating displaying the Ten Commandments in school? You seem to be arguing both sides of the issue.

Also given the history of religious conflict and wars. I would say enforcing religion is much more divisive than any of the things you cite much of what is nebulous.

 

I said that in the VERY FIRST POST I MADE ON THIS THREAD. I wish people would actually read properly before spouting off.

 

I haven't followed this thread and am not sure it's appropriate for me to interject here, but it occurs to me that there is a non-trivial difference between "pushing religion" and "pushing . . . values," where the values may happen to simply overlap or correlate to specifically "Judeo-Christian values."

For example, much of modern Christian ethics is simply Aristotelian virtue theory in an updated form. One could promote the values that are present in "Christian ethics" without necessarily promoting "Christianity" per se.

anyway. interesting conversation.

 

I just want it to be a mandate that the government pushes good vibez


Joe Biden knows what's up with the ice cream movement, hell yeah.

Every time I hear Trump talk it's all hellfire, doom, rape, and murder by illegal Mexicans and what not, yuck dude

 

Confused here....he says he wants God to be in control of everything but...according to his beliefs isn't that already the case?

These Christians don't seem to be very...Christian-y. I would think they would practice putting their faith in God, knowing that he has a plan, a long term plan, and that if he's all powerful and all knowing and all controlling then they have nothing to worry about, he always wins in the end...

Seems like they spend so much time fighting for a God that doesn't need anyone to fight his battles.

 

Christian Nationalists like Sean Feucht and his ilk are base their entire belief system and political ideology on the 190 year-old false doctrine of end-times theology. It empowers people like this to believe that God gave them the right to force their beliefs on others and this supersedes any government-given rights. It is anti-freedom and anti-American.

At a school board meeting earlier this year, the patriot-mobile Christian Nationalist school board President ordered security to escort an older lady out of the building when she told them that their behavior was "not very Christ-like". She had turned away from the microphone to walk away before they called security to escort her out. At the very next meeting, a supporter of the school board President went on a yelling tirade and literally threatened sexual assault on the "libtards". He was allowed to finish speaking and unsurprisingly the President did NOT call for security to escort him out. These people are not Christians at all. They think they are, but they are using poor interpretations of the Bible without any historical or cultural context to justify their power grabs and enforce their ideology.

 

I've said for about 2 years now the threat isn't racism or immigrants or whatever, it's Christian Nationalism. It's been festering in this country for a while now and Trump putting up 3 SCOTUS judges and then to have Roe V Wade destroyed means these people feel more emboldened than ever now.

Their power has been slipping away and this is their desperate attempt at wresting it back and they are using this 'culture' war to fuel it and doing so successfully in a way because a lot of conservatives have dropped what they stood for and have very much warmed to the idea of Christian Nationalism. This isn't my opinion, this is just based on polling, most Republicans are completely fine with it and now you have charlatans like Trump and Desantis ready to weaponize it to gain power that they probably don't plan on ever letting go of. Trump himself a day or so came out and said he wants to give preachers more power.

Octavia Butler would start believing she had psychic powers if she were alive today, down to the "Make American Great Again" slogan.

It simply isn't very christ-like at all. I'm no longer a Christian but when I was I was taught that you leave judgement to God and simply put your faith in him and worship him.

If these people do get power it won't be pretty, never is. You already have many of them demonizing others as 'demons', I hear this near weekly from one right wing talking head or the other nowadays.

 

Except that the Ten Commandments are specifically pushing Judeo Christian values.

Again there’s a lot of wishy washy rhetoric about promoting values and arguing for the commandments as some sort of neutral statement of values. The First Commandment explicitly counters that.

 

And again the Ten Commandments is not neutral.

So then you are not for displaying the Ten Commandments?

 

fwiw "Judeo Christian" is highly, highly offensive to many Jews

 

For the purpose of this discussion, I think it's important to note that the Ten Commandments are more than just a set of "good values." They're part of a covenant between people and their God. The first 4 are very decidedly religious and beyond mere "good values"

- You shall have no other Gods before me
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven idols
-Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
- Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy

Those 4 are absolutely commands for a religion...not a mere recitation of the overlap of secular and religious values. They all absolutely start with the assumption that there is a god...and then provide specific instruction on how to honor that god.

I feel like every time I have this discussion with people about the Ten Commandments being just a recitation of values we should all share, those people have not read or have forgotten what the Ten Commandments actually command.

 

How did this covenant work out?

Nobody can blame God for not holding up his/her end of the agreement, when the Jewish people failed so miserably holding up their end, right?

BTW I do not get the SCWs obsession with the OT covenant, since the NT covenant supposedly replaced the OT one. You figure the SCWs would lead with the Beatitudes or some such:

Matthew 5:3-12​

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.​

 

I've never understood the fascination with the Ten Commandments among Christians, either. I've had that discussion more times than I can likely count.