Man, several days ago some peolle said I am a YOH coz I said Yao's defense is not that good, now I am a YOF
Sura almost had twice as many rebounds as Yao last night. Sura was one assist away from a triple double. Sura is and has been playing hurt and has received strong praise from JVG, T-Mac and Yao. Most importantly the Rockets won last night. Yet somehow there are people that are saying he's not playing right or he's a bad fit. You can not ask for much more out of a guy that's not a star on your team. The guy makes like $3 million a year. You can't expect Steve Nash stats, numbers, skills from the guy. There are not many better values in the league. I'd love to see the point guards that we could have at $3 million a year that you guys criticizing Sura would rather have.
I wasn't talking about you. I know I quoted your post. But that particular post has something like "the title thread reads..". I was merely using your post to address the original poster and other guys. my bad.
Sura is a nice bench player, but if you could trade him for a real starter, you have to do that. Also, If Sura is the other piece that makes Taylor or Howard go away, bye. No way he is untradeable, or even a "core" guy. He's nice while we rent his services. Good guy. He'll have some good games. Don't expect a trophy. To get the trophy - we have to get real starters.
I think the guy is a real starter. I think we can win with him starting, he's better than guys like Derek Fisher, Malik Rose, Rick Fox, Steve Kerr, list goes on and on, etc. and those guys were all part of championship teams. For the amount of money we pay him he's a great starter. We can't expect to have all-stars or even near all-stars at every single position. In fact we probably are going to have 3 role players at every position except Center and SF.
What is the point of this thread? You start a thread like this and the YOF's (the entire concept is tiresome) will swarm in like locusts. There hasn't been any Sura bashing in the GARM but now it's out here like a bad sore. Sura has played well. There is no need to defend him against baseless accusations. However, there were times last night when the Rockets couldve passed to Yao early in possession but chose to swing the ball to the other side in favor of Juwan Howard and David Weslly - WTF? When you're 7 for 7, you should get the ball everytime until you miss. There was a stretch when Yao did not touch the ball despite not missing a shot and getting good position. Perhaps the other players were so shocked Orlando did not front Yao, they continued their set play rather than capitalizing on the opportunity- some improvisation would be helpful - this goes back to the lack of true PG instincts and vision - skillsets you cannot expect from a converted 2. I digress. Sura has been effective.
Am I missing something here? I don't remember many posts bashing Sura. I thought the guy was garbage based on his days with GS & Detroit, but he got his chance in Atlanta, now he plays with a tons of confidence, become a good player now. I like the guy's energy, but let's no get carried away here. Sura is not a starter quality player for a good team, he has too many deficiencies in his game, and he is very inconsistent. As of the "ignore Yao" conspiracy, that's just some fabrication made up by the same people who said the same thing about Francis, Mobley, etc. No role player dare to ignore a star player purposely, otherwise he would have been out of job long ago.
I have to say this is good post. Maybe my word" self-fish" is too strong. OK, I change it: " not a good entry passer"
I disagree. There are two kind of PGs we need in order to win BIG, a star PG, or a sound, average, traditional PG. Obviously, a star PG will instantly make us the contender, say Nash, Kidd. A good, traditional PG will handle the ball for us, see the floor well, make good decisions under difficult situations. Sura just doesn't fit that role. We can win games with Sura, or most of the guards out there, because TMac & Yao, but to get to the next level, he is not good enough. He is too inconsistent, his game has too many deficiencies. An energy bench player, yes. A starter, No!
I think Sura shouldn't make the entry pass directly that often because he's not tall enough to pass over the top in a lot of matchups and Yao gets stripped a lot when they try to bounce it to him inside. It's better to get it to one of the taller guys outside and let them pass it in. If they happen to be wide open, it is their duty to shoot it. I don't see why they don't run a handoff type play once in awhile, though. Sura gets into the paint easily enough and it seems like he could hand it off or toss it over his shoulder to a point blank Yao. I,ve seen McGrady try this a few times, but Yao wasn't expecting it usually and lost it out of bounds. I also liked that play, by Sura I believe, where he used the glass to try to get it to Yao, but it was also unexpected and therefore turned over. I think they just need to work on these a little more so Yao will be ready.
RIET, daoshi if you guys havent seen the bshing of Sura as a cancer, selfich ..only care about his stats, hates Yao...etc... then you just havent been looking. it is there...the game thread from last night is the perfect example.. also ask the chat mods how many chatters they kicked for the constant Sura bashing. it is sprinkled amongst several other threads... codell had a perfectly valid reason to ask why....
if you watch and pay attention to who is normally making the entry passses....you would see that normally the PG is supposed to bring the ball up and give it to the wing players(SG,SF) and it is they who are responsible for making the entry pass when we go into the post.. That does change from time to time based on matchups and where Yao is recieving the ball(side, middle)....but the wing entry from the SG or SF is the normal M.O.
I believe we are in agreement. Those sneaky inside passes off penetration can be deadly too, if done right.
except that I dont believe that is done based on Sura's skill or lack thereof...that is used no matter who the point is.,...IIRC..that was the way last year with Francis... if that is what you meant...then ...yes..we are in agreement btw....just want to reinterate my support for Big Bad Bob...Sure-a is the best PG we have right now...and as such...Im damn glad to have him. I also agree with everyone that praised his heart and determination....he is the type of player that every championship team should, nay ...needs to have coming off the bench for short periods to provide hustle and help spark the second unit... but no, he will nto be the point when we win our first championship with Yao and Tmac....we will have a better, younger point by then.... and you can book that.....
Amen. I just don't understand so much hate for a guy who is busting his butt night in and night out and who we had no right to expect to play the point role this well.
It was meant to be. Thats the point. Those YOF that have a problem with Sura and his success wouldn't have problem with it if Sura was Chinese. One is a fan of Yao. One wants chinese player to get the spotlight. Sura succeeds - there's jealousy. He takes a little spotlight away from their guy( Yao). But if Sura was Chinese - there'd be no problem. And thats the point.
Have you seen how the Chinese fans lashed out on the Chinese point guards during the Asian games and the Olympics. I also remember the small forward (his name is Li Nan?) was called a ball hog, cancer, blackhole, etc. He was called the same names like what Sura is being called.
