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[Public Enemy #1] Bob Sura?????

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by codell, Jan 21, 2005.

  1. munco

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    ha ha. this zhao guy is too much.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Woah Willis,

    Hang on a minute.

    I do not mind ANY fan of the Houston Rockets, but people that are on here just rooting for Yao and his stats are clogging up the BBS with garbage.

    We want to talk about the Rockets....pros and cons......whatever is good for the team...that is all that matters.

    I don't give a rats butt if Yao scores 0 points as long as the team wins.....

    If you don't agree with the above statement than you are lucky I don't have banning rights.

    :eek:

    DD
     
  3. zhao1109

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    Sura is very interesting player coz his bad and good are so clear. right now I just discuss his bad. But I have to admit he bring energy to this team. I agree with you.
     
  4. munco

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    i think i said it too. i would search if i could. i definitely said the move was a great one i do know that much.

    for the record i think strickland is a good move for us. i think he can give us 10 min. of good backup play. i think i may stand alone on that one.
     
  5. Willis25

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  6. zhao1109

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    well if you think the only reason I "bash" sura coz Yao??? :( :( :)
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Did I mention you by name?

    Feeling a little guilty?

    Come on, all I care about is that the HOUSTON Rockets win...yes I take an interest in all the players and how they are performing.

    However, if Sura doesn't pass the ball ONE SINGLE time to Yao during the game and they win....I couldn't care less.

    DD
     
  8. zhao1109

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    I really want to see Tmac and yao step up every night, then Rix has bright future
     
  9. moligity

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    Peace, we are all Rocket fans. And, yes Sura does have his limitations, as do all players. He's out of position, but he getting better and he plays with energy, as you stated above. Maybe, it's all a big misunderstanding.

    Also, I got no beef with Chinese fans, I love 'em. As long as they are Rocket fans. I hope Yao become the next great center, because then the Rockets would benifit.
     
  10. Old Man Rock

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    Hey Texas that's racist. I don't believe you meant it that way or at least I hope you didn't. But it sounds pretty racist. Maybe you want to rephrase it and apologize.
     
  11. zhao1109

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    oh, I didnot read you first. many post pointing to me now so I count yours in, my fault. hehe. I don't feel guilty at all.
    man, anybody bash player now become YOF
     
  12. zhao1109

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    my point is "give up" this season might be good
     
  13. zhao1109

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    I agree with you too.Also, Yes, I am yao fan, but not yao-only-fan. I say " a good entry passer(which againest sura) is important "coz this PG will promote this team to elite.
     
  14. moligity

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    The whole team need to improve their "entry pass skills" -- you are correct. Yao also needs to improve his "hold on to the ball." skills. But that's not news, we all know that.
     
  15. Little O

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    I guess I am one of the people not extremely enamored with Sura.

    I like him no doubt. I think he has heart and all of the intangibles that this team needs. He can rebound which this team sorely needs from its backcourt since Yao and the flower forwards do not rebound that well. He gives us another player that can create his own shot.

    Here are the things he does that I do not like...

    1) I am not pleased with his jump shot. He is not a great shooter and that is one of the qualities that I want from our point guard. History has proven this.

    2) He has a tendency to not see passes that should be made, be that to Yao, Howard, Mutumbo, etc. He does not intentionally not pass to Yao. It's just a lot of the time he wants to make the pass but can't make those passes to because his height is not there. More often than not though he is not looking for the pass as he is busy dribbling from one line to the other or he has already decided that he is going to shoot when he drives in. I hate using Yao as an example as a) I will be labelled a YOF and b) a lot of passes to Yao are fumbled away as well as poorly placed, but last night Yao did have great position under the basket and Sura should have been able to find him under the basket. Ultimately he's just not a true point guard and these skills will not come to him especially now at his age.

    3) I don't like his attitude. I think that he jaws too much. But right now this team needs all the attitude it can get, so I am actually glad that he has one since Yao and TMAC have such a quiet manner about them.

    4) He is madly inconsistent from game to game. Every game we get hustle, but game to game we don't get the same results. I don't care if you play with heart every game or hustle every game. If you don't produce, you are still a liability when you are on the court.

    5) Sura has too much of a history of injuries.

    6) Sura is not quick enough to guard the star point guards in this league. He gets blown by a lot. I've seen it every game this year.

    But as of right now, since we have no other viable option, I am glad that he is starting, or has started, over Lue, Barrett, Strickland, and Ward.

    But...

    I would like to see Bob Sura coming off the bench.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    I agree 100% nice post.

    DD
     
  17. Willis25

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    that's not true - and I think I can clarify something, because I think that some of the Sura bashing is a direct result of the SF3 bashing from last season... some YOF's may not see the difference (not because they don't know basketball but becasue they never watched Steve before Yao came along)

    Last season, people blamed SF3 for not passing the ball to Yao, because (and you have to watch him closely to understand this). Steve needs to dribble and hold the ball for 8-12 seconds before he can shoot. So, last year, he would dribble, dribble, dribble, etc then finally, either pass to Yao too late or have to throw up a shot because the clock ran out.

    Sura is not a great PG, but he is always looking to pass first. If he doesn't pass to Yao it might be because Yao is fronted and he doesn't want to get the turnover. When any YOF calls Sura out like Steve was called out, people on this board get upset because they are giving Sura the benefit of the doubt (and we want you to do so as well) - whereas, we KNEW that the dribbling issue was part of Steve's game

    Yes, it was SF3's fault for not getting Yao the ball, but this season, it may not be Sura's fault (the jury is out). So, just be careful if you come in a defend Yao by bashing another player using a statement that applies to someone else. You can bash Sura, Howard or anyone else - just don't base your comments on the same issues that people here might have had with Cato and Francis - they are different players
     
  18. michecon

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    Conformism?
     
  19. moligity

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    In response to Little O -- most of what you wrote is correct. But, I'm not sure anyone in this thread is "extremely anomored" with him. Most the support in this thread deals with his hustle and energy.

    The thread title reads ""Public Enemy #1," not Bob Sura is the PG in the NBA.

    (edit: okay no one except Tinman ;) )
     
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    Sura's game looked good against Magic, but that mainly because of the horrible defense Magic plays. I love his hustling, rebounds, and drive on the open court, but he got to stop doing the following:

    1. Step out of the bounds with the ball. How can a professional player continue to do that game after game is beyond my comprehension.

    2. Drible/drible/drible in a half court. He is not fast. His passing ability is very limited. The timing of low-post entry pass is just not there. In a half court offense, Sura need to give up the rock earlier in the shot clock and let T-Mac creates.

    3. Get blown by most PG he faces. Could be his knee. Could be his effort. If Sura put as much effort in staying in front of his man as in his rebounding, I am sure he can avoid getting blown by position after position.
     

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