well it means something to others. like last year when i posted all the sony ps3 games i saw at CES. i know RC appreciates it!
Sure parity is important. I think the bigger factor is more people can rationalize paying $299 for what they perceive as mainly a game system. At $399 and $499, millions of people (like myself) were barely going to listen to a sales pitch about "value". I resented the mandatory "upsell" being forced down my throat without a choice. At $299, the PS3 reaches a sweet spot and people will now listen because Sony is in the game. Even if the Xbox drops to $50 lower in price, the value of the extra features seals the deal with me, especially since I'm a PS2 owner who's been sitting on the fence waiting for Sony to stop insulting my intelligence.
Agreed. I'll definitely be getting one of these after my semester is over. I've been playing a backlog of games on my PS2 when I have the time, which is pretty rare as it is.
I think we are basically arguing the same thing then. My entire premise is that Sony has done a terrible job thus far with marketing the value you get per dollar with the PS3, but with the recent price drop it is time for them to revamp their marketing strategy so they can start capturing more sales from casual consumers. Arguably, communicating the PS3's premium features means more now than ever since it will be competing at an equivalent (or nearly equivalent) price as the 360 and Wii. The PS3 is in the running now, whereas beforehand casual consumers would dismiss it upfront based on price alone.
If I were going to buy a new console it would most definitely be the PS3 in light of this recent news...but its just not economical. I would need a new TV to REALLY enjoy it. And some new speakers for it. And its still not backwards compatible. I don't care about the technical limitations, but I will not buy until it is. get it done morey? 299$ is a reasonable price for a ps3 + blu-ray player, and it would be an incredibly reasonable price for a ps3 + ps2 + ps + blu-ray player.
I think BC is dead. PS2 console sales are still chugging along. As for value, I got an hdmi 360 arcade with 20gb HDD for ~160 tax. Passed those savings along to get 1 yr Live membership, headset, and chatpad for another 40. For people who don't buy in BULK and just want to play, 360 is more than capable.
Just to make it clear, all PS3s can play PS1 games. PS2 games are the problem. BTW, am I the only one that thinks the technical issues are more of a factor rather than PS2 sales? Not to say that the PS2's continued success doesn't have some influence on Sony's decisions, but I doubt that if PS2 sales suddenly dropped to 20K a month, we'd have PS2 BC for the PS3 ready to go.
what total blatant false advertising will it make me 20 different varieties of omelets for breakfast? no! sigh when will my dreams of jetsons machinery become a reality? [end SwoLy-D mode]
Wait, I thought PS3s played PS2 games... is this not the case across the board or is it just that the new slim version is not backward compatible? If I have to buy a whole new gaggle of games, I'll definitely stick with my old PS2.
No, they took it out a while back. Early PS3s could play PS2 games because they had some PS2 hardware in them. But according to Sony, PS3 owners don't care to play PS2 games, so they took that out (made the system cheaper to produce). If you want a PS3 that plays PS2 games, you'll have to find one of the early models. And they're not cheap. Think I've seen some 60GB systems go for $1000. Don't ask me why they wouldn't just buy a normal PS3 for $400 (or $300 now) and get a PS2 for $100. edit: Of course, as has been discussed in this thread, Sony could bring the feature back (in all PS3s, using software emulation). But again, they don't really see any reason to do so.
Yeah...and a month ago Jack Trenton was calling everyone who wanted a price cut a r****d because he was already losing money on each system sold, and that there were not currently any plans to release a slim version of the PS3. We all saw how that turned out. Once they stop manufacturing PS2s and clear out the current stock, it will only be a matter of time before PS2 emulation is reintroduced. If they can make money off of it, you better believe it'll be back. Sony's claim that the PS3 library is so large and wonderful that there is no reason to play PS2 games on it is hollow and outright contradicted by their own actions in releasing PS1 games on the PS store.
Yeah, PR is a fun job it seems. Especially at Sony. Pretty sure that the guys in Japan just make decisions on their own, and PR guys just have to find ways to sell the product no matter what. I loved Koller's explanation (or lack their of) on why they're getting rid of the "Install Other OS" option. Assuming they can straighten out the technical issues. The thing that has always bothered me is that they could have been making a lot of money off of PS1 and PS2 games already. The fact that they haven't really pushed for this up to this point sort of worries me (either they don't see the profit, or perhaps the profit isn't as much as you'd think).
Not that it really matters to me, but I'm curious, what was his explanation? This is true, but they've begun changed their stance on this recently. While much of it is likely attributable to the PSP Go, the good thing is that at least the games will get a shot to prove that they can either be profitable or unprofitable. Capcom is releasing more PS1 games this year (RE2, RE3, and Dino Crisis). More releases (for all companies) are all going to revolve around profit, obviously.
Don't remember his exact words, but I think it had to do something with the PS3 Slim being a product focused on gaming, so they were going to shy away from that feature with its release. I think it is starting to be too late to really push that hard for some of this stuff. If they're barely just trying to figure out how profitable PS1 games could be, then I don't want to even think how long it would take for a decent distribution of PS2 games. Would have been great to purchase FFXII, Persona 3 and 4, God of War 2, etc., right when the came out on the PS Store. More money for Sony and publishers (cutting out retailer, not to mention costs to produce/package/ship games). Can't really do that anymore since not many major PS2 games coming out. edit: Not to mention it took them months to get rid of the clock overlay issue on the PS3 XMB, and people have been more vocal about that than PS2 BC it seems.
