PRYUEN,Please,someone said yao will recovery within a month if using chinese medcine

Nobody? In China? Even some posters here shared their experience of turning into TCM. And I guess before western medicine was introduced into China, Chinese people hadn't cured any bone fracture, right?


In Yao's case, I don't see this (going to TCM) happen because

1. Rockets wouldn't do it because they may consider it's a risk for their biggest asset. And it'll make their own doctors look stupid ( which I think they are ).

2. Olympics is the most CBA concerns. Since the Rockets doctor already guaranteed Yao can play in the Olympics with current curing plan, why would CBA make a big effort to rush him back to NBA playoff and take the risk of him injured again?

I know that sounds a little hate on the CBA, but NBA is a business. So is Olympics.

 

Does your Grandma have regular office hours?

 

I am Chinese,but i think it help nothing.

 

chinese medicine could work for sure..
but i saw it cost at least 3 months to heal..
from " http://sports.sina.com.cn/cba/2008-02-28/10093500359.shtml "(All chinese words)
i'm not able to translate all..but i can do some of them..

"省内中医专家表示：这只是球迷们的美好祝愿，姚明至少需要三个月恢复期。"
experts of chinese medicine in the province (Liao ning Province) said,it's just a good wish from fans , Yao need to cost at least 3 months to get cured.

" 辽宁中医学院附属医院高天舒博士告诉记者：“姚明的应力性骨损伤实质是一种过度运动、过度疲劳的非感染性骨膜炎症。中医外敷内服的治疗方式，能够活血化淤、强身健骨，但是很难在1个月的短时间内帮助姚明康复。” "
Dr. Gao from ..(a chinese medical hospital).. said , ... ,chinese medicine ..(do work).. but hard to heal Yao in just one months..

i wish Yao could heal soon ! Best wishes to him!

 

i saw someone said the ingredients turns out to be opium..it's not sure ... some is like opium..but most of them not..believe me..

 

you realize that Western medicine remedy for broken bone = set it, immobilize it and wait?

everyone thinks western medicine is so advanced but for most breaks it's the same thing human beings have been doing for 50,000 years... dont move it and wait for the body to heal itself.

these days you add pins and screws to help set extreme cases but there's no cocktail medicine western medicine can provide to help it heal better. I guess there's hyperbaric therapy to increase oxygen flow but in that case why is the idea of increased flow from chinese medicines so farfetched

again I'm not saying this guy can fix yao's busted foot in a month but why so much offhand resistance? it's almost like the very idea of chinese medicine working is an insult to some dudes on this board

 

high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease are all related to diet. cancer deaths continue to go down while these diseases go up.

you have 11 years old kids with type 2 diabetes. preteen girls hitting puberty and even the DECLINING HEIGHT of american males is associated with diet.

you understand that 100 years ago the 2 tallest peoples on earth were all americans... white americans were the tallest caucasians on the planet and plains indians averaged over 6 feet and were the tallest people on average the world had ever seen. that was due to diet as well as genetics. 100 years ago we americans had PLENTY to eat. in the year 1900 we averaged 3 inches taller than european whites, now we're 5 inches shorter than the average scandinavian male. WTF? this is associated with diet (too much) and health care (not enough)

you have some bad bad information guy... you're talking life expectancy? for the first time ever american kids have a shorter life expectancy that their parents. the people who live the longest are not badasses who eat a ton, they are little japanese women who eat fish and rice all day.

if you take a look at where the health care costs for this nation are skyrocketing, the majority is from fat asses eating WAY TOO MUCH, not getting checkups and expecting "western medicine" to magically cure us when we let our bodies deteriorate... in large part because people have the uninformed mindset that you have... that because we live in america and it's 2008 somehow we're healthier than ever

 

It is an insult to some guy who spent 8 years in medical school and then 4 years specializing in feet. Then some Chinese herb doctor comes in with his herbs and says you don't really need all that. My wife is a Chiropractor who sees patients almost every week that have gone medical route and our worst for it. And only a handful of MD's would ever consider recommending a chiropractor to deal with a patient with back pain choosing surgery before that. Surgery is evasive and should always be a last resort. What may be a simple procedure for one may be devastating to another. It sounds like they are suggesting for Yao's treatment is very traditional modern medicine. But there is nothing 100% about surgery and if there is a less evasive alternative why not try it.

 

We had plenty to eat in 1900? I'm sure that would come as a surprise to those fleeing famines in Europe then.

You also realize that all of the problems you cite aren't due to malnutrition but to over nutrition and more of a sedentary lifestyle. As to declining height I would like to see your statistics as my understanding is that while the US isn't necessarily the tallest its because others are catching up thanks to improvements in access to better quality food. Also as for the assertion that Plains Indians were the tallest people ever seen I have no idea where you got that. I live in Minnesota with one of the largest remaining populations of Native Americans and they are definately not the tallest people around, even looking at artifacts from museums would indicate that while they might've been relatively tall in the past they weren't that tall.

The problem with arguments that diabetes and heart disease are up as a failure of Western medicine is that those things are symptoms of the success of western medicine in eradicating other problems and also western agriculture in providing us with more caloric rich food than we need. For that matter for those who criticize western medicine and say that its making us worse off consider that without western medicine we would still have smallbox, polio and malaria would be widespread in tropical and subtropical regions. For all of the possible benefits of non-Western medicine, and I don't deny there are, I have yet to hear of a non-Western treatment wiping out a disease.

 

We're all practically Yoda anymore... so stature-challenged.

 

I'm not against Chinese medicine and I think there is alot of good that can come from it particularly in paliative care. What I'm against though is either / or opposition to Western medicine. The primary faults with medicine that you, bloop, cite in the post I responded to earlier have to mainly due with the economics and the delivery of it that doesn't mean though that Western Medicine is making us worse off just that the access and cost of it is too high. As I've said before Western Medicine has a very good track record particularly if you consider in about the last 80 years it has wiped out things scourges that have plagued humanity since humans existed. To dismiss that though in favor of techniques that largely haven't been quantified seems reactionary and naive.

 

It definitly works, but a broken bone is a broken bone. The main thing with Chinese medicine is that it is more preventive and less treatment orientated. I would love to see Yao get into a Chi Kung regiment. I think that would help him immensly with his bone density and tendon flexibility and I know there is qualified practitioners right here in the Houston area.

Dit Dow Jow works very well with bruises and sprains but on a broken bone, I don't know, I have my doubts.

 

Hmm... if it "definitly works" would you mind pointing me to the scientific study supporting its efficacy?

 

How about the fact that the Chinese enjoy lower occurances of heart disease and cancer? How about the fact that there are Kung Fu practicioners that can break cynder bloacks with their palms? How about the fact that kinesiology is increasingly incorporating acupuncture and other traditional healing methods?

I think you reacted without reading the rest of my post, I never said it could "definitly" heal a broken bone, and while I'm far too lazy to comb over google to prove something to you, there is about a thousand years of anecdotal evidence and a billion healthy asians that will attest to the fact that it 'works'.

 

Fail.

I'm not saying that the entire body of TCM is completely useless. I'm just asking for some justification for the bold claims made by some of its advocates.

 

Dude, people like him aren't even worth it.

 

What I'm saying is that as a complete discipline it is just as effective as Western medicine, I at no point, said that coming in after the fact, without any additonal prevention, would it heal a broken bone in a fraction of the time. So what exactly do you want me to show you evidence of, you smug bastages?

 

To follow up on this post I know there have been studies done on Tai Chi and Asian meditation practices that have shown a benefit when done properly. Here's some links.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0675/is_4_20/ai_90924135
http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/emotion/6205.html

While some of the more far out claims of Qi Gong haven't been proven I wouldn't dismiss Chinese Medicine off hand just because some of the more outlandish claims aren't proven. My main concern about this thread though is the hostility towards what has been proven to work for unquantified and frankly outlandish claims.

 

Complete discipline? Could you clarify that a little bit? What exactly do you mean by, "It is just as effective as Western medicine?" Discoveries of modern medical science have produced some amazing results. I highly doubt that TCM could reproduce those results in any sort of controlled setting.

 

no it wouldnt come as a surprise to those people. why? because those people are dead. those people would be like 110 years old. are you daft?

this is veering off into the stupid but you stated that the reason why we have heart disease today is because people died before those conditions developed 100 years ago. that is wrong period. people today have heart disease, diabetes and all those things as a result of diet, ignorance and failure of preventative health care. it has nothing to do with people living longer. people develop those conditions today before 20 years of age.. you have to go back to prehistory to get a life expectancy of less than 20. the idea that people were routinely dying of starvation is incorrect. even if you look at wide spread famines such as the Irish potato famines those are singular episodes correlated to a specific cause... using a specific type of potato in the case of Ireland. people didn't just drop off and die. they certainly didn't do so in America. 100 years ago americans ate just as well and were overall healthier than we are today

in other words you have no clue and you're talking out of your ass. you have no clue what correllation there is between nutrition and health care and height. you have no clue what role height has as an indicator of overall health. you dont even know who the plains indians were. let me put it to you like this "I have no idea who chris paul is so there's no way he's good. he cant be as good as kidd cuz I see kidd on sportscenter all the time." good argument right? because you're ignorant of something it doesn't exist and cannot be correct.

Tallest in the World: Native Americans of the Great Plains in the Nineteenth Century 3 seconds of google came up with that on the top of the list. there are many other sources: there's some discrepancy from study to study. but based on live measurements at the time and studies of bones averages ran 5'9" to 6' depending on tribe, with the tallest tribes averaging well over 6 feet. americans and aussies were next a few inches shorter. scotts were tallest europeans another inch or two shorter. american blacks did not have superior nutrition (and perhaps genetics) and were not exceptionally tall. there's a reason why all those Western novellas from the 1800s and early 1900s talk about "tall silent' indians and why cigar store indians are like 8 feet tall. why do you think they called robert parish "chief"? he looked like a plains indian and was 7 feet tall

no the reason why diabetes and heart disease are held up as failures of Western medicine is because they are largely preventable diseases which are growing in the US. I cant believe these are serious posts... do you actually think being a fat ass would have given you a greater chance to catch polio like it does diabetes? you make these random assertions not associated to anything. what is "western agriculture?" cultivation of crops developed in the middle east in the euphrates valley and we use those techniques today. none of the major crops we harvest are native to north america save tobacco, corn and a few other things. do you mean use of chemical fertilizers? every country does that it's hardly a western idea. you realize malaria is still widespread in africa and was never a big issue in the US right?