No, "work" is not a magic amulet to protect you from the consequences of your actions. Maybe police shouldn't bother people at home either? Oh, they get to do whatever they want.
If they are yelling threats to kill members of the family while outside the house, that should be considered criminal.
As long as there is a law against it, I agree. If there isn't a law, then they need to pass one before removing protesters. Anyone that breaks the law should be charged with their offense.
There is a law already existed in the books, it is very specific when it comes to criminal threats. I'm surprised at you Nook for being an attorney and for your reply. The law makes it abundantly clear that you cannot go around and threatening to kill people. Penal Code section 422 defines criminal threats as “willfully” threatening to kill or injure someone, unequivocally and with sufficient specificity that the recipient of the threat is placed in a state of reasonably “sustained fear” for his immediate safety or that of his or her family.
One of my big issues with Kaepernick and BLM is this notion that they claim they want to bring awareness to these police killings as if the rest of us aren't privy to the 24 hour news cycle
Lawyers are not going to know every code provision of the penal code across the United States. Depending on the case law, if it is consistent with someone protesting and threatening another's family members, then arrest them and charge them. Typically a prosecutor can choose to prosecute as a felony or misdemeanor but would likely be a misdemeanor in this case.
my friend believes that the protestors were not from Fremont, CA (Town famous for.. TESLA Factory in California) https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/fremont-ca-population Fremont Demographics According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Fremont was: Asian: 58.40% White: 24.13% Other race: 8.10% Two or more races: 4.92% Black or African American: 3.08% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.91% Native American: 0.45%
The media is not doing their job completely in all this. This should have been a question when the St Louis couple were brandishing they're military rifles when the protesters were marching through they're neighborhood Instead of asking were the protesters threatening, backup and ask why the hell are they there. Do they believe millionaires haven't seen the George Floyd video?
First, the protesters were not on their physical property if I remember right. Second, it WAS asked... in fact the story originally portrayed as the protesters going through the properties gate and onto their property. Only later was it corrected to point out it was a gated community, not a single dwelling and the protesters were on the roads and sidewalks.
"Stop protesting because I already know why you're protesting." Special kind of dumb on display today
The media did not ask why they were there and you still dont have a good reason because the protesters don't have a good reason. Don't respond with theoretical bull ****. Give me their stated reason
Common man(Biden's voice), this law is a basic common sense law that every lawyer and even lay person should know it. You can't walk around and threatening to kill people.
Did you read any of the articles? The articles said why they were there, the mayor lived in the same neighborhood and they were walking to the mayor's home to protest the mayor recently reading publicly the names of citizens that wrote to her about defunding the police force. Here is the first article that came up when I googled "St. Louis protest" https://www.winknews.com/2020/06/29...s-as-they-march-through-private-neighborhood/
People threaten to kill or harm people all the time and do not go to jail. It is actually very hard to prove because there are multiple steps and prosecutors often drop the charges.
I believe it is justified , but I also do not think it should be a first resort and would say that some general guidelines should be followed 1) protests at public buildings should have already been ongoing 2) those protests have been ineffective 3) there are a lot of people protesting and the vast majority are local 4) protests have clear and defined scope and message / ask if you’ve been protesting peacefully with your neighbors for a week .. and the mayor / police / whoever ignore you ... maybe disperse you in the evening ... then I believe you have the right to take the protests up a notch ... not with violence but with inconvenience.
Yes, I agree. Proving it is another matter. That is why we go to trials. My point is that law exists for a specific purpose. The law is there to de-escalate a potential deadly situation. If we don't have such law, people can be walking around and threaten to kill one another, the party who feels threatened may take a deadly pre-emptive strike to protect himself or his family.
I don't know much about DA Ismael Ozanne's practices (he could very well be a stooge or an incompetent), but I'm totally more sympathetic to him than people protesting elected officials where they work and convincing others to vote them out. Like cops, we complain about wanting the "best and brightest" civil servants but treat most them like **** (unless the other side is shittier) and view them like opportunist parasites. We even send them death threats when they give news people don't like hearing. Why would sane people bear that cross of fixing a system that generates little to no appreciation? https://www.nbc15.com/2020/07/27/dane-co-district-attorney-responds-to-protesters/ Dane County's district attorney is firing back against protesters who've taken to the streets outside his home to call for the release of several people who are in jail right now facing criminal charges. District Attorney Ismael Ozanne wrote a public letter to the demonstrators, shared with news outlets Sunday night, saying he will not be intimidated. Dear protesters who have been outside my home: When you talk about the need for a criminal justice system that understands the impact of racism, I hear you. When you talk about the need for change so that people of color are treated equitably, I hear you. When you chant, “F*** Ozanne,” outside my house until 1:00 a.m. in the morning, I hear you. When you call me a racist until 1:00 a.m. and blast music outside my house, I hear you. Do you know who else heard you? My family who was at home with me, including my children. They also heard you tell them that my whole family was racist. One of my daughters turned to me and asked why you chose to come to our house to make her feel unsafe, when you claim that you want everyone to feel safe. Your protest was about trying to intimidate me and my family so I would drop the charges against people who have been arrested for crimes committed under the cover of what have largely been peaceful protests in the city and county I grew up in and have lived in. Your protest was about you trying to intimidate me into not doing my job unless I do it the way you think I should do it. You are not going to be successful. I am a Black man who was raised by a Black mother who fought for racial justice during the 1960’s and became the youngest person to become a staff member of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. She trained for Freedom Summer and was busy registering Black voters in Mississippi in 1964, the year that three young civil rights workers were murdered in Nashoba County, Mississippi, by the Ku Klux Klan after corrupt racist law enforcement officers arrested them on trumped-up charges and released them into the hands of the Klan. I grew up knowing the history of racism in America and how it worked hand-in-hand with government entities to deny people of color their full rights as Americans. I grew up knowing what it is like to be Black in America and how there is intergenerational trauma that is passed on to each generation of Black children. I have chosen to spend most of my career as an Assistant District Attorney and as the District Attorney of Dane County because I believe that government must play a role in keeping people safe, holding criminals accountable, and protecting crime victims just as much as I believe that government must re-examine and confront how systemic and institutional racism in the criminal justice process and in other areas of governance have maintained the racial inequities that endure to this day. I look at what my office does through the lens of knowing that business-as-usual is unacceptable and that community safety requires new approaches and a shared commitment to just outcomes. I am accountable, as an elected official, to the public and I take my obligation to do my part seriously to make sure that I and my office serve all community interests by considering the evidence in each criminal case, the needs of the offender, and the needs of the community. I understand your protest strategy is to communicate your position, to disrupt things, and to make people in power feel uncomfortable. And you know what? Your music, your glow sticks, and your blocking my street made my neighbors and family uncomfortable. Thank you for showing the community that you can do all these things while the police – whom you protest – let you exercise your freedom of speech; I am sure in 1964 in Mississippi my mother wished she could expect this type of policing. Thank you for showing the community that it has a choice between your mob approach and people who are committed to justice and to making our community better. If you are committed to justice and to talking about how we can work to make Dane County a better place for all citizens, you know my phone number – you put it on flyers – and you are welcome to call me. If you are committed to justice we can discuss how to reduce incarceration, to reduce the root causes of crime, and to reduce the shootings in our community, while at the same time we increase the health and wealth of people of color in our community. We can talk about how we allow children of color to thrive in Dane County and in our school systems. And we can talk about how 2020 will be a year that mattered, when this county came together and created solutions. The DA's office says protesters showed up outside Ozanne's home Saturday night. This is the second time, after a group marched through the west side of Madison on July 1 and rallied outside Ozanne's home.
There used to be an argument that public service was a sacrafice financially. In today's world thats no longer. Police and firefighters make plenty of money. Mayors make plenty more. So forth and son. That being said i agree it doesn't mean they all should be open to microscopic immunity. Thats another thread topic
