You are such an optimist. The second morning you will see thread like "Which tiltle run is more impressive/convincing/significant/..., the one we just got or ...?" EDIT:
i do support them, i just don't support that fans who are out on a witch hunt or the fans who's love for the current team somehow gives them a right to discredit the teams of the past or the personalities of the past. Before some of you put Tmac on the same level as Hakeem, make sure he's accomplished it first. Before people start slandering Sam Cassell, listen to what he says in a video interview. If you think that calling the Rockets championships "SWEET" is an insult, then you are part of what is wrong here. I'm enjoying the winning streak not looking for outside credit or front page of websites to enhance my satisfaction. The satisfaction is the wins not what people say about it. Its poison I'm letting them know. bel Biv Devoe
I got only two things to say Nero is officially my favorite poster in this forum. /me loves to watch Nero fiddle as he burns the Wizard of Oz twins. and If you spent as much time enjoying how this team plays as you do thinking up new ways to insult them, you might actually see something special.
100% true. Couldn't have said it better myself. McGrady is a great talent, and clearly wants to win for us. He's doing it the best way he knows how. Not to mention that McGrady has stepped us for us in the big games. It just hasn't been enough. He had a great game 7 last year, and great home games... The officials, like always, sucked on the road, though. So he was relegated to low-% shots there. In 2005, he picked apart the Mavs on both ends in almost every one of his seven games. It just wasn't enough. And the only reason I (or I think most people) hate on Barkley now is because he is a douchebag and a dumbass who has turned on the team he ended his career with. The rest of the original post, I think I agree with, though.
Great post Nero, I should have put a disclaimer on the Tmac part (Opinions of Tmac by AntiSonic are not the views of tinman or john connor or soulja boy) My point of his awesome thread is the historical analysis. JVG leaves the Rockets, he was a good coach. do we need to belittle him for his opinions so we can enjoy our success even more? What about Sam Cassell? what did he say to offend Rockets fan? nothing. Cause he's not part of the Rockets anymore, does that mean that Luther Head has accomplished more than him? No. My Tmac take is what happens post Rockets? do we slander him to make us feel better about Yao Ming II? Do we call him a traitor if he liked the weather in Orlando better?
I mean "stepped up", not "stepped us". ... Also, when I said "like always", I meant in Utah, not just every road game.
What has Barkley done besides entertain people and stick to his own opinions? does it affect the Rockets team now currently? Tmac says he doesn't listen to him. As far as I know, I'll take Charles dissing the Rockets 100 out of 100 times if we can Yao Ming back. Yao Ming will help the team directly in the near future. Despite Chuck's constant bashing of the Warriors, it never affected the team on the court. Even when Charles is picking the Rockets to win (last year) did that affect the outcome? no. But it seems to make people feel better by belittling what he did with the Rockets to offset their anger of his choice of not rooting for the Rockets this year. As you can see, its very difficult to get far in the NBA and the last time I checked when we got past the first round, some dude named Chuck helped us. If you don't agree with Charles or Sam, say so, but don't say spit on what they did for the Rockets.
Thanks for the civil, well-thought out reply. Very refreshing. Though I tend to disagree with you on the Barkley trade, you may be right in that we could have surpassed Seattle with getting Thorpe back, or maybe even just signing Willis. I understand that mentality, just don't agree with it. Elie was a guy who wore his heart on his sleave, probably even more so than Steve. You really are shortchanging him though, he got his minutes and any notoriety because of his hustle, not being boys with Rudy or Les or Dream. The Rockets tried to dump him and Kevin Willis to land undersized flash-in-the-pan Damon Stoudamire. At the time it looked like a sweet deal, but ultimately, he was right. I don't blame him at all for feeling betrayed. He went on to prove his worth by being a catalyst for the Spurs' first title. Except, Yao had not come into his own yet. The Rockets threw the baby out with the bathwater in the McGrady deal because they thought they could cheat the rebuilding process with a "superstar." Looks like McGrady's never EVER going to win a title for us either. I honestly don't recall Dream ever threatening to leave for Toronto (though I could be completely wrong). As I recall, the Rockets tried to send Hakeem to the Raptors for McGrady the year before, but he nixed the deal. Neither Tinman nor me are saying that. I just don't like to say people who have actually done things for this team get trashed because they don't fall in lockstep formation behind a current player. The jury's still out on that. With each season his trade value gets lower. Anyway, props for the great post.
I respect his post and I agree but calling T-Mac as Saintlady is nonsense. Be sure that McGrady will be remembered as one of the best players in franchise history, I love Rockets and love players and don't disrespect them in any way by just comparing them to older stars.
Some of you are unable to split the past and the present. I can love and appreciate what Kenny did for us; does that mean I shouldn't laugh at him for making a stupid analysis of this team? I loved seeing Charles push us past Seattle and outrebound entire other teams; does that mean I shouldn't point out the dumb **** he says about my FAVORITE TEAM on TNT? I could go on - like say with Horry and Maxwell - but those would turn into whole other threads. McGrady is a Rocket right now - he's trying to help us win. I will support him for that. That doesn't mean that if he bashes the **** out of the city/team when he is gone from here years later, that I won't say something about it.
He played well in last years playoffs. Unfortunately, he was one of the few You should have included a paragraph about people that consistently trash Tracy McGrady whenever they can. If he plays well, they sit back and say nothing. When he has a bad game, they pile on. When he has a legit injury, they dog him. Sounds a bit like you in this thread
I'm not saying that's wrong at all. I'm saying if you are out on a witch hunt looking for this stuff, than that's bad. let me give you an example. Sam Cassell said that It was "SWEET" to win the first championships for the city of Houston and that it WOULD BE "CRAZY" if he won for Boston (hint, team he's going to play for..) the witches hear "CRAZY" and translate to "HATRED OF HOUSTON, TX". see my point? .............. Here's another example of misinterpretation and witch hunting. If I told you that your new outfit is "PHAT", and you get mad cause you thought I meant you were "FAT". Its paranoia the destroya
I defend him when people say he's faking an injury. All other counts, yeah sure... Read Pass 1st Shoot 2nd's post for a much better explanation of my thoughts than I can express.
I agreed with you for the longest time. I loved Charles while he played here, and for several years thereafter. The first few years on TNT, I figured he just hated on us to exaggerate when talking about mediocre bubble teams because he did that a lot. I still got a kick out of his unique personality. But then I saw that the hate kept coming. It never stopped, no matter how much better we started to look. I know we haven't done a whole lot to silence him in May, but *******. I think once it becomes impossible to disrespect us (i.e. once we win a championship, nothing less), he will simply just avoid talking about us. He won't gush over us like he does the Spurs, Jazz, Celtics, Heat (before) etc. I think he genuinely hates the Rockets. He doesn't just really think we're not that good; he WANTS us to fail. And for that, he can go to hell.
AntiSonic, My apologies, I edited the your thread so it wouldn't turn into a Tmac-athon, thus people being blinded and seeing the good points you are making.
Being a Rockets fan should be synonymous with being a fan of Yao and McGrady... at the very least until it's reahlly obvious that they are holding us back. Besides, there is a pretty well defined line between simply thinking a player isn't working out and bashing them like a child throwing a tantrum, which is what anyone who thinks "McLady" is funny was doing. ... Also, I can't believe you tried to draw a connection between politics and professional sports. It's one thing to not be able to run a country, it's a whole different thing to draw hate for being injured a lot on a sports team. Besides, I think it's so much sweeter to watch your team improve by growing around the stars they have rather than by slutting around for new stars at the first sign of adversity. Especially when the proposed trades don't offer any clear improvement in talent or leadership.
