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Props to Morey for NOT panicking!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by topfive, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. leebigez

    leebigez Member

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    With all due respect, follow me on this one.

    1995 the Rox fresh off a ring is pretty stagnant and with the entire team back,cd traded a role player in thorpe for a impact player in clyde. Needless to say what happened that season.

    Lets fast forward to the next 2 seasons. The rox with chucky brown and other cast of characters haven't beaten the sonics in 16 games and was just knocked out of the playoffs. The rox traded cassell,horry,brown,and bryant for barkley. The Rox lost game 6 of the conference finals to the jazz.

    After a few yrs in the lotto and a team making the playoffs for the 1st time since 98, the rox trade cato,francis and mobley for mcgrady,howard,and gaines. The rox have 2 50win seasons in 3 yrs.

    To say I don't know or think cd would do something is crazy. The future for the rox is these next 3 yrs. Why? Although Tracy and Ming are under 30, they have a lot of mileage. They're not typical for they're age. Having yrs go by are wasted yrs for the franchise players.

    We talk about Artest walking, but it would be hard for him to leave 9m per on the table and play for a contender. Even if he walks, the rox would have his money under the cap to get on of the young 3's like Igudoala,J.Smith or childress,deng or someone like that with artest money or sign and trade. It was a win-win for the rox, now we have to rely on 3 rookies and a 2nd yr players in novak. Not to mention, who do u see going down after this season? U think the lakers,hornets,nuggets,spurs or teams like that are going to get worse? gmafb!
     
  2. choujie

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    Landry doesn't even play same position with Bonzi. And Landry doesn't have a post up game. No matter how you spin, it still looks like a salary dump move, especially when the playoff race is so tight.
     
  3. choujie

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    If I remember correctly, the slogan before the season is "IT'S TIME". I didn't realize it meant it's time for next year or it's time to save money.
     
  4. kaleidosky

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    I have a problem with the fact that you're giving up on this season. I'm not at that point yet, and I can't believe others are after the recent stretch of good ball.

    If you're not giving up on this season, then you can't say you're *happy* that the GM "didn't get Kurt Thomas, Shaq, or Artest." Trading for a good player could have helped this team, and help would be nice in a season that's not over.




    Overall, I agree and am happy the way Morey played things, though we'll never know for sure what it would've taken for Artest or Miller. But... I wish we had improved more if it was possible because I don't think the season is shot by any means.
     
  5. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    I'm not giving up on this season -- I just don't believe in mortgaging next year and the year after when there's no guarantee that these major moves will actually improve the team. Mike Miller is far from a safe bet -- we thought we were bringing in an A-list 3pt gunner in Mike James, and look how THAT turned out. Sure, in theory Miller makes us instantly better. But that's just on paper.

    I like the moves we made because they don't hurt us in the slightest*, may improve us, and definitely leave us in a better position to make moves this summer than pulling the trigger on a major deal would've done.

    * Anyone who thinks Bonzi Wells will really make the Hornets a much better team is smoking rock.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Welcome to the world of Marketing vs Reality.

    DD
     
  7. choujie

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    I realized it.
    If we get Mike Miller we have a realistic chance to win it all. But the owner doesn't want to pay luxury tax for that chance. That's reality.
     
  8. DudeWah

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    you forgot the fact that steve novak will probably get more PT
     
  9. leebigez

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    The season isn't over, but the prospects of this team moving up and winning has dimmed.

    I want everyone to go down the list of every 3rd scorer or best player and tell me who do u like better. In the playoffs, it comes down to the 3rd guy. Whether u want to use rafer,scola,battier,jackson or whoever Just do a basica comparison and that's the problem I have.

    La has odom,phoenix has shaq,hornets have chandler,dallas has stack,sa has manu,denver has either martin or camby,utah has either okur,ak,or korver, and gsw has ellis or harrington. U like the rox 3rd scorer over any of those.
     
  10. warbirdzone

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    It's time for Le$ to sell the team, but I'm dreaming. It doesn't look
    too bad to have an ahole like Cuban as the owner of your team now.
     
  11. ibm

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    why should we give props to morey/les for a salary-dumping move and another minor trade?

    and the future is soooo bright? maybe, maybe not. i say with our roster in relation to other teams, how our future looked before the trades is pretty much how our future looks right now.

    and to say we are, or the organization believes we are, out of the contention this year also lacks enough evidence. we're 4-5 games out from the top seed; plus with all the teams ahead of us currently, we'd match up with most of them fairly well in the postseason. so why give up for the year now?

    the matter of the truth is, no one knows right now how the west is gonna end up this season. and this should make we fans excited, rather than the opposite.

    now, let's take care of business tonight and beat the hell of miami...
     
  12. topfive

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    Right! Because all those trophies the Mavs have are proof that Cuban knows what the hell he's doing.





    Oh, wait -- the Mavs haven't won anything under Cuban! My bad.
     
  13. Will

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    The homer spin's so bright, I gotta wear shades. :cool:
     
  14. solid

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    Gee Thanks Mr. Morey (and Uncle Les) for not getting all caught up in all the improving that was done by almost every other team in the West. They were really good and now they are better, but thanks to you we are probably worse. Great job. I guess it is "time" to pass on the playoffs. The others stocked up on top level or mid-level players and you got us Rod Strickland Jr. and Stromile Swift Jr.. Wow, we are so grateful and stupid. Your favorite kind of fans. Cause if we were smart, we'd know you were just adjusting your money. We luvs our scrubs down in Rocketland.
     
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    As someone mentioned in the other thread BJack and James both have 2 years left on their contracts. The difference of money on their contracts with Bonzi's expiring one will let us go under LT, saving about 400K. I am too lazy to check if this true, which I think is not too far off. So how is 400K saving make our furture much brighter? A 35 year old undersized PG that relies on fading quickness certainly doesnt make us better.


    The Green trade right now is irrelevant.
     
  16. The Rock MVP

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    If Landry produces half of what bonzi produced on a regular day ....ill be happy because he will see more time and bonzi was inconsistent.


    If green becomes a Klieza like play for the nuggets...then its a success. Bobby jackson isn't going to change anything. Hes just our new stable PG
     
  17. BucMan55

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    He didnt panic, and when the price was too high for Artest and Miller I'm glad he didnt roll the dice for one season, especially in a season in which a couple teams are also taking a last ditch roll of the dice.
     
  18. carib

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    Interesting trades.
    Rockets basically just adjusted their bench, not too much harm done hopefully. Bobby Jackson can be explosive so this is good, we will miss Bonzi's rebounding. Anybody know anything about the Haluska fellow other than he 6'5 plays point. If he can develop to be a Sura that would be great.
    The Green -Snyder swap does no harm as Snyder was not getting playing time and wanted to be traded, whilst Green wanted to come to Houston. The only concern is if Tmac gets injured who plays for him and who backs up that player.
    It is a concern that he did not get any minutes on the worst team in the Western conference. He did average over 10 points in Boston in his second year, perhaps home cooking is what he needs. Arenas, got little playing in GS (they were a bad team at that time) and turned out to be the star in Washington. Green is not going to get much playing time anyway (unless he blows Adelman away in practice).
     
  19. Drewdog

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    exactly.
     
  20. leebigez

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    I guess my problem is snyder should have been traded a month ago. He wasn't playing and neither was green. Why wait? Another thing is the rockets are probably softer now than before. Bonzi wasn't great, but he at least added some toughness in the frontcourt. Once again if u want to sell me on the future, why didn't u keep Gay and don't worry if the coach would play him or not. Its jus a lot of things that just don't add up. Where is the backup swingman?
     

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