why are we wasting so much time and effort on an issue that rove created? anyway this bill sucks. no one likes it. theres no way it passes the house in its current format.
Am I the only one that finds the term "illegals" offensive ? I guess to each his own on what is and isn't offensive on Message boards . Anyhoo,from what I'm hearing from the entire latin american community is that everyone is confused with the provisions on the bill.It hasn't been well presented by those who are trying to pass it.
by law, they are here "illegally". i find people breaking the laws and our government not only condoning it, but sanctioning it to be offensive.
I find Texans complaining about illegal immigrants amusingly ironic. Not that I don't think it's a problem and that it needs to be handled.
In purely semantic terms, the immigrants in question are in a continual state of breaking the law, whereas one who jaywalks, for instance, passes out of their state of illegality when they reach the other side of the street.
From reading that, touchback looks like they just have to go to Mexico to get the paperwork done and then they come back. So it shouldn't take that long, but with the backlog it will probably be a big pain in the ass. Speaking of paperwork, who is supposed to be handling the Z visa, the guest worker visas, and all the associated busywork?
This and your suggestion about Securing the Borders are key until these two happen . . the rest is bullsh*t Rocket River
Ted Kennedy in 1986: "This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this." Ted Kennedy in 2007: "Now it is time for action. 2007 is the year we must fix our broken system."
what a chump! but i guess the best we can hope for w/ killa t is that he doesnt drive on too many bridges.
Except none of those deal with either of the fundamental issues that drive illegal immigration: supply & demand. We'll have the same losing war we fight against drugs when we just try to fight the symptoms instead of the cause.
what I don't get is this IF they get Amnesty . . .the low low wages go bye bye . . correct? i mean . . .Minimal Wage laws would kick in correct? Rocket River
its a mess. i hate to just give the illegals already here a pass to stay but unfortunately its to the point where its the only way. I do agree that they should pay whatever fines and register and whatever else type of documentation needs to be submitted for them to become 'citizens' or resisdents (whatever you decide to call them). On a side note, i'd also like for them to be able to speak english. Im getting pretty sick of everything being printed in english and spanish.
For some, yes. For many others, no - most illegals in industries such as construction already make way more than minimum wage. But from a supply-demand standpoint, the demand by US business is for people willing to work below minimum wage. So if illegals apply for citizenship, they won't be able to work those industries. Instead, new illegals will be sought to work in that field, and you'll simply increase the problem because now you still have the same number of illegals and you have a bunch of legalized former-illegals. Neither amnesty nor punishment addresses the demand issue.
Exactly. It should not take that much to create a system where only legal residents can work. If they could not work here, they would not come here. Have a few high profile prosecutions... A couple of CEOs of big corporations that have illegals working... The Human Resources directors of those same companies... A few CEOs and hiring managers for construction companies as well as a few companies in other industries that attract illegals (farming, housekeeping, etc.) A few high profile people who have illegals do their housekeeping, gardening, lawn work, etc. Put a few of THOSE people in jail for 6 months to a year and see how fast the market dries up for illegal workers...
I completely agree this is a supply and demand issue but I don't think the minimum wage makes that much difference. I'm not a huge fan of a legislated minimum wage but my understanding is that very few workers legal or illegal are at that level. Illegal aliens still have to eat, get clothed and have a place to live and for many still send money home. A minimum wage job just isn't going to cut that. Even if all the illegals have to work at minimum wage I don't think there will be much of an incentive to keep on bringing new ones to work under minimum wage.
I doubt it. If you work for a small company and you can't get US citizens to work at a competitive rate why not risk going with illegals at a lower rate if that's the only way your business survives? There have been prominent drug bust yet people are still buying and selling drugs.
You may be right here but I think there would be a noticeable effect in the agricultural industry. I'm no expert, but perishable goods are probably far harder to import. "Sweatshops" that pay lower than minimum wage probably produce the same goods that we already can import for less.
No, it would address the ability to fill the demand, but it doesn't address the demand itself. It's the same as the drug problem. If the demand is there, all the punishment in the world will just send the drug trade more and more underground. It's not going to change the fact that people still want those drugs.
