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Proper Respect for Kevin Martin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ketchupNmustard, Dec 28, 2010.

  1. meh

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    It's odd that people just compare PPG between T-Mac and Martin, and not their percentages. T-Mac has always been a volume shooter, and somewhat mediocre one that that. Plus he's always been bad at going to the line for a superstar.

    No one notes that shooting at a high percentage indirectly leads to shots for others. Say T-Mac scores 20 points on 20 shots. And Martin does it in 15 shots - simplifying by ignoring FTs - that's 5 extra shots Martin "gives" to other teammates. Which in essence makes up for his lack of court vision.

    I'm not saying Martin's in T-Mac's league back when he was beasting with us. But But it's closer than simply just saying "T-Mac does everything and Martin only scores". Because scoring efficiently in of itself helps out your teammates a lot.
     
  2. rock4ever

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    Derek Fisher and the NBA champs disagree :(
     
  3. van chief

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    I love to Hate Kevin Martin. He is an amazing player on the offensive side of the ball. As is known to all his Defense sucks; I wish he took more shots before waiting for the foul/trying to draw a foul.
     
  4. BeARocketsFan

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    Wrong. As is known to many of us, Martin's defense is pretty good and getting back to how he used to play before his injuries when he used to shut down players like Ray Allen.
     
  5. flamingdts

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    Thing with McGrady is he creates his own shots.

    I'm sure Martin's efficiency would drop a lot as well when the offence revolves around him and he not only has to create his own shot, but face constant double team as well.

    That being said, Martin is one heck of a scorer.
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    Kevin Martin uses 28.8% of Rockets possession this year while he's on the court-- meaning 28.8% of the team's possessions ends up with Martin FG attempts, Martin FT attempts, or Martin turnover.

    This usage % is good for 9th overall in the NBA.

    Whether or not Kevin Martin creates his own shots or not, he seems to be able to find plenty of shots during the first 30 games of this season and the team depends on him to take a ton of the available shots when he's on the floor.

    Now, he doesn't consume as many possessions as McGrady does since (a) he doesn't make as many of the passes leading up to scoring attempts, and (b) McGrady's usage % was 30-35% as a Rocket, but Kevin Martin finds ways to put up a lot of scoring attempts when everybody and their mother knows this is the guy that the Rockets want shooting the ball.

    And the efficiency number is not just a matter of TMac having to handle more possessions, not when one guys' TS% was .600 and the other guy's TS% was barely .500. McGrady was just never a very efficient scorer in his career. There is no proof that if he were to, say, lower his usage % to 28.8%, that he'd magically increase his TS% to anywhere near .600.

    Also, there are plenty of other high usage, high assist players who run the "shot creator" role for their team: Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Vince Carter, Roy, etc. and McGrady's efficiency ratings with the Rockets (TS%, ORtg, etc) is significantly lower than that of these guys.
     
  7. solid

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    Are we Orlando? Arguably, TMac in 2003 may have been the best player in the league. Even as a Rocket, he had moments of greatness, but his decline was precipitous. I am comparing the TMac maybe two seasons before the trade to the point of the trade for Martin. Martin is as good or actually better than that TMac, and that is what I am saying. There is no argument that TMac was one of the most talented players ever, but his injuries and other issues kept him from being one of the greatest ever and his last years with the Rockets were pretty ordinary to awful.
     
  8. tmacfor35

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    To this day McGrady is still better at creating
    Shots off the dribble. Martin has one move when a guy stops his first step. A spin move that leads to a difficult runner.
     
  9. echu888

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    TFTFY
     
  10. tmacfor35

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    Look at Tracys assist numbers. Heck, Tracy usually played pretty good defense when he was a Rocket too. You are comparing McGrady who had a bad knee, back, and shoulder to a healthy Kmart. It still was not even close. Kevin is a system player. Coaches change their system for Tracy.
     
  11. tmacfor35

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    That really has been working out in 4th quarters and I can recall a handful of times he actually got free bees after such a move.
     
  12. echu888

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    He leads the league in free throws. I think it's working.
     
  13. Carl Herrera

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    Suprising, TMac fan derailing thread with TMac to Martin comparison.
     
  14. van chief

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    Wrong?

    I will concede that at times he does show some ability to defend. He is often found on the same side of the court as his man, and I did see him foul someone in the last game!

    Hey there are alot of guys in the NBA that dont play defense, hell there are some teams that don't.

    And he sure can shoot the hell out of the ball, although I still wish he took more shots before waiting for the foul/trying to draw a foul.
     
  15. tmacfor35

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    His ppg in the 4th quarter show that it really isn't.
     
  16. nnayak

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    Ppg in the fourth is a silly stat. Doesn't take into account that Martin comes back in the 4th much later due to the rockets 10 man rotation.
     
  17. tmacfor35

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    Why do you think he sits in the 4th. Why do you think McGrady played the whole 4th quarter. Kevin Martin gets free throws from his first step or pump fakes.
     
  18. tmacfor35

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    A silly stat....... Now I've heard everything.
     

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