and the black christians who voted never said they were for gay marraige either, and the white christians never said it either, and the mormons who spent the money on this proposition never it either so why are you singling out black people, do you have a problem with blacks voting
which was more than offset by the number of other obama turned out who said they voted against the proposition. but now basso is backing up off the blame obama and just blaming blacks, as if its noble now, especially considering the president he oh so loves proposed for banning gay marraige across the nation
number of other what that Obama turned out? How was it offset if they thing passed, i don't understand what you are saying exactly.
I scanned through this thread and so don't know if something other than this is being talked about but I thought this was the subject.
Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. -Oscar Wilde
i am absolutely not singling out black people- quite the opposite in fact. i'm singling out the liberal whites who suspected that Obama was one of them. he ain't. he's here, queers can't marry, get used to it.
You are singling out black people. You are placing all the blame on the amendment passing on minorities. Why? Didn't over 80% of the Republicans who voted vote for Prop 8? Why yes they did. You haven't once spoken out against them. The only place you have placed blame is on the minorities and others who encouraged them to vote. To try and act like Obama who is against Prop 8 and campaigned against prop 8 somehow isn't a minority because prop 8 did pass. Again basso, you are only signaling out one group of voters and assigning all the blame on them. Why? Why isn't everyone who voted for prop 8 to blame? Why do you blame some votes for the passage and not the other votes for it? Each person only gets one vote. The over 80% of McCain supporters who also voted for prop 8 should get some blame to.
I think he is talking about them more because they showed up more. I guess it is the squeaky wheel gets the grease idiom.
more minorities showed up to vote than republicans? Either way prop 8 passed by a small margin. if only some of those McCain supporters OR minorities who voted for it, had voted against it, the measure would have been defeated. There is no excuse to forgive one group for voting in favor of it, and make threads bashing the other group for voting in favor of it.
basso, your level of insight into the inner thoughts of "liberal whites" rivals your ability to predict the outcome of presidential elections. The bulk of Obama's supporters (black, white, brown, whatever) realistically realize that no candidate will support all of their positions, but they vote for candidate that comes closest. I imagine it's different in wingnutistan.
What both sides need to come to realize is that Prop 8 was brought before the people. The people have spoken. Its time for EVERYONE to realize this and quit bashing people because they don't believe the same as you. There is much I disagree about in everything about life, but Im not supreme ruler. My opinion counts once. It gets quite tiresome hearing the liberals b**** non stop because they do not get their way about everything. If America wakes up tomorrow and the majority of people feel its time to exile a certain race of people, then so be it. The citizens control this country as a whole, not a certain party or group of people, right or wrong.
Yeah I'm not blaming Obama by any means. I just think it was a noteworthy voting trend by a Democratic voting-bloc. Very good analogy with South Dakota. The Democrats are probably more unified right now than the GOP. We somehow nominated someone that the base was not happy with. Anytime that happens. you are going to be in trouble.
totally false. marriage does not equal happiness. the rest of your post is just cliche liberal smack.
If marriage and civil unions are the same thing, why not call them the same thing and quit all the BS and let everyone have their way. In my opinion this world is run by religion and decisions based on religious belief. I'm tired of having to watch my friends live the life the way that other people wish to live their own lives. Liberals are not b****ing nor whining, they just want REAL seperation of church and state. They also want other people with different beliefs out of their bedroom and social life.
spaceghost, it's true the voters have spoken and we have to "get over it." That's easy for me to say, b/c I didn't just have people tell me what I can and can't do in the pursuit of happiness. Me and the Mrs, married at city hall, ... are still married! My fellow citizens didn't say "hey, you both have brown eyes -- forget it. Annulment for you, freaks." So what you say is true at the bottom line. I think some of us are more upset about this because it feels completely counter to the whole basis of America: freedom. If you're not hurting anyone else, do your thing. What I don't get about the anti-gay-marriage contingent is this: when in American history has a large-scale movement for equal treatment lost and gone away? Women? They got to vote. African Americans? Eventually got to drink out of the same water fountains. Biracial couples? Eventually accepted. (No fair referencing Native Americans. You can't suddenly give 96% of gay people small pox.) I guess I don't understand what the Yes on Prop 8 voters are thinking: that the end game is gay people will just go away? (aside from the amusing appearance with a token character on each sit com.)
