The sad part is this rescinds an existing right of a significant portion our our society.. and a right that has no real bearing on the personal lives of the people who passed the Prop. There was a party in the Castro last night, but it must have been deflating.
but you didn't vote for it when you voted for bush in 04 who supported this going in the constitution? are being so freakin obtuse on purpose?
I'm cool with that. The only reason why the issue is contentious is because of the religious baggage of the word "marriage."
you're obviously not familar with the world of the basso, where he started a thread on how obmamots can't criticize they're own, but yet the basso is presented these numbers and he continues on his own course sorry bnb, I can't help it
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Err, except that's not the case. The GOP voted 82% against the measure. Dems overall supported the measure. While there was higher black turnout than normal, there was also higher youth turnout, which voted strongly against the measure. Analysis shows that even with "normal" Dem turnout, the measure would have passed due to the depth of the GOP support. Nice try, though.
I don't think it would be the extreme right unhappy with granting gays civil unions. I think the problem would be from many people (maybe trending slightly conservative but not particularly religious) who'll object to their marriage being demoted to a civil union. I think the religious right might be happy to get government off of their marriage turf.
Sullivan is linking to someone who claims that the math proves that without the added voters from minority communities the proposition would have failed.
This is true if you look at an increase in black/latino vote exclusively. But Obama didn't only increase black turnout. He also increased white Dem turnout and youth turnout, for example - both of which voted against the proposition. If you look at the overall numbers, it would have passed even if you had "normal" Dem turnout.
Another thing about the Arkansas initiative. Many people and every major news outlet that I have seen only read or had it reading as a 'gay ban' initiative and in actuality it bans anybody who is not married from adopting or fostering children in Arkansas regardless of sexual orientation. Terrible, terrible news that it passed and by such a wide margin as well. I never stated that I lived in a state full of geniuses y'all. Some good news, CNN reported that many of these votes are already being legally challenged. I hope one of the challenges comes in my state.
I got a racist, anti-Obama text message from my gay sister this morning. So apparently this goes both ways.
Obama is against gay marriage(wrongly IMO), but he is on the record as saying voting for prop 8 is wrong. I wished I would have saved the robo calls using his own words talking about it. I received of them with that on there. basso, to pretend like voters who support Obama blindly would also support prop 8 even though Obama is against gay marriage but also against prop 8 is just silly.
