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Projecting Wins using #NBARank

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    in before LOF's question who are our top 2 players again
     
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    Looking at Houston's stats and comparing the correlated WS to their WS last season.

    Harden's is about right, but expect precision to be low as one change in ranking has a huge impact on correlated WS.

    Howard's correlated WS is much higher than his WS last season (I'm actually amazed that Howard's defensive WS/min was slightly better than Rondo's)

    Parsons correlated WS is lower than WS last season.

    Asik...surprisingly a good correlation.

    Lin is underrated according to WS.

    Beverley correlated WS is slightly higher than his WS last season. I expect Beverley will play about 3.5 times as many minutes as he did last season. So ESPN either is predicting an injury, Beverley playing about 1/3 as good last season, or is completely undervalueing Beverley.

    Garcia's correlated WS is about what he did last year despite not being in rotation until very end of season after trade.

    DMo is projected to have a decent bump to fringe rotation player.

    Brewer seems in line.

    Jones his correlated WS is lower.

    Brook's seems in line with last season, but may not get the minutes.

    Everyone else's correlated WS's are so low that they are inconsequential.

    Casspi's WS last season was low, but more than inconsequential. If he was as good as he was in 25 min in Sac, he is underrated by a good 100 spots. Based on being in a better situation, he may be underrated by even more than that.
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    Good catch.
     
  5. Easy

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    I guess I "underrated" them because their 1-2 punch was not as good as other elite teams. But they probably have the most balanced starting lineup.
     
  6. durvasa

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    So I went ahead and did this for last season as well, using (again) preseason #NBARank. It doesn't account for the Harden trade, or Derrick Rose never playing, etc. Another difference is last year's rankings included many free agent players, so I adjusted the rankings to only include players who were signed on with a team during last year's preseason.

    TEAM     CNT  Top12 Wins   6 through 12  3 through 5  Top 2
    ----     ---  ----------   ------------  -----------  -----

    MIA      14     65.2         17.0          20.7       27.5
    OKC      15     61.0         13.8          20.7       26.5
    LAL      15     59.9         10.2          23.4       26.3
    LAC      14     56.1         18.5          14.2       23.5
    SAS      15     54.7         19.1          16.8       18.9
    BOS      14     53.7         15.3          18.4       20.1
    DEN      15     50.6         17.6          18.2       14.9
    NYK      13     50.2         16.3          14.8       19.1
    CHI      13     50.0         10.5          19.1       20.4
    MIN      13     48.5         16.2          14.0       18.4
    MEM      14     47.8         10.7          20.1       17.0
    DAL      15     47.4         16.2          15.1       16.1
    BRK      14     47.1         10.5          17.8       18.8
    IND      16     43.7         11.1          17.6       15.1
    PHI      12     42.5         12.9          13.5       16.1
    GSW      15     41.6         13.3          14.1       14.2
    ATL      13     38.3         8.2           14.3       15.9
    UTA      14     38.2         11.3          13.3       13.6
    MIL      14     37.9         11.9          12.9       13.1
    TOR      14     35.8         10.4          12.4       13.0
    SAC      14     34.3         11.1          10.0       13.2
    PHX      11     33.0         8.3           12.2       12.6
    WAS      14     31.9         7.5           11.3       13.1
    NOP      12     31.3         6.0           11.2       14.1
    ORL      16     30.5         8.9           11.3       10.3
    <font style="background:yellow;color:black">HOU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;19&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;29.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;7.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11.3</font>
    DET&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;14&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;29.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11.4
    POR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;14&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;28.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;15.9
    CLE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;16&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;27.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;15.2
    CHA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;12&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;22.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;7.4


    Last year, again, we were by far ahead in the number of players on our roster that was ranked by #NBARank (again with 19).

    [​IMG]

    And here were the projected standings:

    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Conf&nbsp;TEAM&nbsp;Top12-WS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Conf&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;TEAM&nbsp;&nbsp;Top12-WS
    1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MIA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;65.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;OKC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;61.0
    2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;BOS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;53.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;LAL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;59.9
    3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NYK&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;50.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;LAC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;56.1
    4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CHI&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;50.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;SAS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;54.7
    5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;BRK&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;47.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DEN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;50.6
    6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IND&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;43.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;48.5
    7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PHI&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;42.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MEM&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;47.8
    8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ATL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;38.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DAL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;47.4
    9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MIL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;37.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;GSW&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;41.6
    10&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;TOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;35.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;UTA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;38.2
    11&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WAS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;31.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;SAC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;34.3
    12&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ORL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;30.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PHX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;33.0
    13&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DET&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;29.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NOP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;31.3
    14&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CLE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;27.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<font style="background:yellow;color:black">W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HOU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;29.9</font>
    15&nbsp;&nbsp;E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CHA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;22.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;28.7
     
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    Pretty remarkable from last year what Chicago was able to do with so little talent, and what little the Lakers were able to do with so much talent.

    The Rockets are sort of the freakish team to look at on here because of the Harden trade. If you take the 5 to 6 pts he might add (generously) they'll be right there in the middle of the pack.

    I find this stuff very interesting... thanks Durv
     
  8. haoafu

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    Sounds like it's a more reasonable approach than adding up the individual RAPM stats, even though individually RAPM seems to be a more robust one.
     
  9. durvasa

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    The cool thing is that our player rankings have increased uniformly across the roster, not just for the top few players.

    Projected win shares for players 6-12 increased from 7.7 last year to 10.3 this year.

    Projected win shares for players 3-5 increased from 11.0 last year to 17.2 this year.

    And projected win shares for our top 2 players increased from 11.3 last year to 25.0 this year.


    Often, teams have to sacrifice depth in order to obtain their stars. We were able to obtain stars while also improving our depth.
     
  10. durvasa

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    Yeah, we'll see how they hold up. Like I said in the first post, this incorporates more of a subjective feel for how good a season the players will have, which could be an advantage or disadvantage depending on how you look at it.
     
  11. MadMax

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    Close your eyes and imagine an awesomely solid red line that starts in the bottom left hand corner of your imagination and moves up and to the right beyond your vision, or even your peripheral vision, forever and ever into eternity.

    There's your graph.
     

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