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Project 2025: What is it really?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Apr 17, 2024.

  1. deb4rockets

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    He's always lying. He can't speak two minutes without lying his as* off. That's a fact no red hatters can dispute.
     
  2. Commodore

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    Would that he could "root out" bureaucrats that are working to thwart his policy goals. It's not practical to do so.

    Mass firings of several layers of leadership at every federal agency/dept/military branch would be a good start that is more achievable.

    The other thing that would be effective and achievable is radical transparency. Declassify as much as possible to an unprecedented degree. Streamline FOIA request process. Show the public what all these petty tyrants have been saying and doing all these years. It's difficult for the media to spin information disclosures as a bad thing, and it will be very effective politically as a public shaming weapon.

    In lieu of mass firings at lower levels, Trump should simply halt their activities (i.e. no new regulation gets issued without POTUS approval, no fine is levied without POTUS approval, etc.)
     
  3. Commodore

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    Who has Biden fired during his presidency and what can we infer from it?
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    He 100% will implement Project 2025. Just as he took the list of judges they wanted him to put in and he used that list.

    There's no doubt he will. It's 100% logical for him to do so. His staff wrote the blueprint. It's backed by the same people who bankroll him. Of course he will deny it. Just as he denies everything else until he actually does it. We've been through the game a million times. He'll do it, the right will cheer it as "destroying the deep state"

    The people this will hurt will be indiscriminate.
     
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    Joe is old and slow, but this guy seems completely oblivious to his own administration.

    https://thebulletin.org/2024/07/tru...n-for-the-country-gearing-up-for-nuclear-war/

    The Project 2025 coalition members are staffed by over 200 former officials of the first Trump administration. These sophisticated Trump-movement MAGA operatives now know how to work the levers of government and have learned from what they see as their main mistake during Trump’s first term: leaving the “deep state” intact. These conservatives proudly served Donald Trump through his administration and attempted insurrection. They are now ready to help him complete the job and their plan is here for everyone willing to see.

    “Our goal is to assemble an army of aligned, vetted, trained and prepared conservatives to work on Day One to deconstruct the Administrative State,” writes Paul Dans, a former chief of staff of the Office of Personnel Management during the Trump administration and now the director of Project 2025, in his foreword to the report. Russ Vought, the chief of staff of the Office of Management and Budget under Trump and now the president of the conservative think tank Center for Renewing America, agrees: “We have to be thinking mechanically about how to take these institutions over.” Vought vows to be “ready on Day One of the next transition,” adding, “Whatever is necessary to seize control of the administrative state is really our task.”​
     
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  6. deb4rockets

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    Trump knows far too many people behind this to claim he doesn't know about it. He's lying as usual.

    As a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, Heritage is prohibited from endorsing candidates for public office, but, Roberts himself has said,

    "I do know President Trump personally. I don’t want to overstate how close we are, but since I became president of the Heritage Foundation, we’ve spoken several times. I know him and have been with him personally a few times."

    To lead the "Project 2025" team, Roberts hired two former Trump administration insiders.

    Project leader Paul Dans is a South Carolina attorney who served in the Trump administration as chief of staff at the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, working with the White House to select the 4,000 presidential appointees in the federal government.

    Associate Project Director Spencer Chretien served in the White House as special assistant to Trump and associate director of presidential personnel. Both men are ideally situated to help pick appointees for another Trump term

    A few weeks after his American Conservative keynote address, Roberts hosted his friend and Texas U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz on his YouTube podcast.

    https://county17.com/2024/02/11/wyomings-cowboy-catholic-could-remake-government-if-trump-wins/
     
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    I think Trump would take parts of that project to the extreme. Jack Posobiec, the far-right extremist was cheered at CPAC, and his ties run deep with Trump and his family, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon and the rest behind the Stop the Steal propaganda and the insurrection.

    Republicans at CPAC 2024 are openly vowing to take down democracy.

    Far-right commentator Jack Posobiec is a current host on One America News Network (OANN), an information network widely known to distort facts and which has been embraced by President Trump. This investigation has found that Posobiec — a Trump favorite — has collaborated with white supremacists, neo-fascists and antisemites for years, while producing propaganda that Trump and his inner circle have publicly celebrated. hailed the “end of democracy” at the Conservative Political Action Conference,.

    “Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely,” Posobiec said as the event began. “We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this, right here,” he said, gesturing to the crowd and holding up his fist.

    As he spoke, Bannon laughed and said, “Amen!”

    "After we burn that swamp to the ground, we will establish the new American republic on its ashes, and our first order of business will be righteous retribution for those who betrayed America," he declared.

    https://newrepublic.com/post/179247/jack-posobiec-democracy-cpac-2024

    Lara Trump has also had him on her podcast, and his extremist files run deep. The list on the links below is an eye opener to the ties to extremism of Posobiec....

    https://www.splcenter.org/splc-inve...osobiecs-rise-tied-white-supremacist-movement

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jack-posobiec
     
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    Replacing a lot of experienced and capable staff for political loyalists is generally a recipe for disaster in any large organization.

    I can agree with that but why would you think Trump would do that when he didn’t do it his first term and has fought the release of many of his own records?
    Again that would likely be a recipe for disaster as that would require micromanaging on an almost impossible scale. It would be like saying. Amazon couldn’t make a sale unless Jeff Bezos approved of it.
     
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    Sure Biden replaced cabinet level staff and many senior staff as every president has. I’m not aware though he had a large scale replacement of career staff at all levels for political loyalists as both Trump and Project 2025 has said should happen if Trump wins again.
     
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    Trump lies about everything, small and large. His words don’t mean very much. Why would anyone trust him? His incessant lying itself (we haven’t even talked about his career criminal behavior, zero respect for norms and laws, convicted felon, etc.) should have been enough to boot him, but we are way past that point.

    No one should believe what he says. But, anyone can make some sensible predictions based on his actions while he was POTUS. He asked for nuclear modernization, which is very expensive and dangerous, and is part of Project 2025. He signed an EO to reclassify apolitical members of the administration so that they can be fired at will; this is also a major part of Project 2025, which includes mass firings of those deemed not loyal to Trump (instead of being loyal to the Constitution). He issued an EO to stop immigration almost immediately upon taking office, again a part of Project 2025—stopping both illegal and legal immigration. And so on.

    Trust is given to those who prove themselves trustworthy. Even politicians who lie occasionally can be trusted to some extent. But a habitual liar? Expecting anyone to believe a habitual liar undermines the very basic concept of honesty.
     
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    Exactly. You will never get the truth behind the plans or actions taken by anyone who is a pathological liar. You will only be fed what they want you to believe is true. A country led like that, with vengeance against those who question them is no better than living in a communist regime, or somewhere like North Korea or Russia, where those speaking the truth are imprisoned, killed, or assassinated.
     
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    They aren't capable though.

    The rot is systemic, and some baby must get thrown out with the swampy bathwater.


    If regulations and fines coming to a standstill is a disaster, sign me up.
     
  15. Commodore

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    People have left, but who has he fired?
     
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    The convicted felon is trying to distance himself from Project 2025 -- but its architects helped shape his RNC party platform


    But when Republicans meet in Milwaukee next week and vote to officially confirm the first new Republican Party platform since 2016 -- which Trump and Republicans across the country will run on -- that platform will have been crafted and influenced by individuals with deep ties to Project 2025.

    In May, the Trump campaign and the RNC announced their Platform Committee leadership team, the senior officials tasked with drafting the Republican platform, and named Russ Vought as the platform committee's policy director and Ed Martin as deputy policy director. Both have ties to Project 2025.

    Despite Trump's attempts to distance himself from Project 2025, the two worlds remain deeply intertwined. Several key former members of the Trump administration are involved with the project, including Stephen Miller, who recently helped Trump with debate prep and acted as a surrogate in the spin room following the CNN presidential debate in Atlanta -- and who appears in Project 2025's educational "presidential administration academy" video and whose organization, America First Legal, is listed as among its advisory members.

     
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    That is just brilliant while your hometown just dealt with. Hurricane where federal agencies like the coast guard helped with rescues and is now calling for federal
    Aid.
     
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    And what really sad is they will still back that lying sack of *hit.
     
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    SMH
    One cannot question Biden's mental acuity
    with out questioning Trumps

    Rocket River
     
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