Problems in our country that need to be dealt with?

actually it's 6+ years...i move a little slow.

 

I haven't found many words by Jesus dealing with abortion. I am sure there are some. I just don't remember them. In my current reading of the bible I am reading in chornological order, not in the order the books are ordered in a normal bible, and I am still on Daniel.

 

To answer your first question, I want the govt. to help those that need medicine to live but can't afford it, families who have children that suffer because of poverty, and do works that help the public who are less fortunate.

Simply put: I want them to take care of people who can't take care of themselves, because it is humane.

I also support socialism, but it doesn't limit freedom of choosing anything. Under socialism the more you work the more money you make. You can choose to work more than one job, or work as many hours of week as you can find employers to hire you. If you get fired or do a poor job it will be tough for you to find other work. You can start your own business, become a millionaire, etc. If it fails you will take a huge financial hit. There are consequences, and accountability in place. At the same time socialism provides a minimal level of comfort for those that can't provide for themselves.

If a small percentage abuse the system they should be punished. But I am more worried about helping those that really need it than the actions of the criminal and dishonest.

 

Who said anything about crucifying them? I sure didn't. I was merely saying that I doubt Jesus would agree with the pro-choice crowd. And I doubt anyone here would disagree with that.

 

The bible never mentions abortion explicitly. You must be connecting your own dots.

These verses are very vague. I can't find anything about abortion. Can you?

 

Would Jesus be in favor of incarcerating women for having abortions? I don't think so. That's why I'm "pro-choice". (pro-legal)

 

i don't want to turn this into an abortion thread...but i'll ask again...where have you ever seen proposed legislation which would incarcerate the women who seek and have abortions?? i've seen legislation proposing that doctors be incarcerated for performing the procedure. but i've yet to see it affect the women that way.

 

So because there's no mention of abortion in the bible, Jesus MUST support it? That sounds like very shaky logic to me. I don't think you can honestly say that Jesus would support the practice of abortion.

OK. Your point would be what? How do we go from incarceration to crucifixion? Seems like a huge leap to me. There's a difference between thinking that abortion is wrong and thinking it should be illegal. Not all of us who think of abortion as a horrendous practice think it should be illegal. Perhaps you should open your mind and not lump all others into neat categories. I don't think it should be dealt with at all by the federal government one way or the other. It's a states rights issue to me.

I've always respected your posts. I just wish you would keep in mind that not all on here who espouse certain beliefs either define themselves by this belief or can be lumped into categories based on those beliefs.

 

Its more than just humane but makes economic sense. In some countries in Southern Africa they're facing impending economic and social collapse from so many people having aids. If huge sectors or our societies died off or got ill from lack of healthcare our economy and society would suffer badly. Healthy people, even poor people, can work and contribute to the economy and if they aren't spending hard earned dollars on health care will be spending that money across many other sectors of the economy. Healthy children learn better and end up becoming more productive healthy adults. It just makes sense on so many levels to provide health care to even the poorest segments of society.

 

It would be impossible to know how a person born at the turn of the Millennium would think. A completely different society that we can hardly imagine. It's hard for "us" to relate to people in other countries "today" think, how could we possibly know how someone would view a modern issue 2000 years ago. It was a much rougher world, with massive mortality rates and the stoning of some unwed mothers.

 

well if you think of the unborn baby to be alive(a person) then wouldn’t abortion be like murder?? Would Jesus like that?

 

I wouldn't say it because I don't believe Jesus would support abortion, but you know, that's just a guess. It's hard to predict what a man-god would think. I'm asking where the bible mentions abortion. That's an argument Christian anti-abortionists use, I would like them to clarify their argument.

 

I see your point. As for me, I'm a Catholic and I oppose abortion not because my religion tells me to but rather because I feel it to be repulsive. I do not condemn people who have abortions though. I've had friends go through the decision of whether or not to have one. They've chosen to go through with the pregnancy but I would've been there either way for them. I condemn the act and not the person.

 

I am one of those who thinks abortion should remain legal even thought it's not a good thing. And I'm the one usually lumped in the "pro-choice" crowd. So if I am lumping people together it's because I'm a lumpee.

I don't think Jesus would approve of abortions (most). But I also don't think he would spend an ouce of effort demonizing those who do. I don't.

 

He might be saddened. But he could look deeply enough to understand and forgive.

 

couldn't agree more. ready to throw out the entire criminal code, then?

 

wow that's nice to know its not that bad of a deed...murder is okay…if you have an excuse

 

I'll just give it back to Caesar.

 

i have no doubt that God would forgive it of those who are sincere. no doubt at all. see Saul/Paul.

but as humans, we can't base our criminal code on it. 2 entirely different issues.

 

I have had very frank conversations with friends that are homosexual about this. From their explanation, physical reactions to people are mostly natural, i.e ingrained. Sure women can choose to be intimate with other women after traumatic experiences with men. Women can choose to be with both men and women sexually. But mere physical sexual contact is not all there is to sexuality. I'm sure prison inmates would very strongly object to being categorized as homosexuals even if they have participated in sexual acts in prison that everyone would view as acts that only gay men participate in on a regular basis.
I guess my best evidence for this would be from a conversation I had with a gay friend. When asked about whether homosexuality was a lifestyle choice or a result of nature he said, "with all the persecution I go through as an openly gay man in Texas, why the hell would I choose to be attracted to and feel most natural living with and loving someone of my own sex? I could certainly choose not to pursue openly those people I feel attracted to, but that would be denying who I am inside. If the roles were reversed and suddenly homosexuality was the norm, would you as a straight man be able to choose to be gay just because it what society expects of you?"