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[Privacy] Trump partners with Palantir to create a database on every American to spy on you

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Jun 2, 2025 at 3:35 PM.

  1. Amiga

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    Depends on the database and ID cards. The government ALREADY has all that info, though it's scattered like playing cards on the floor. Haven't read much into this yet, but there was always a need to stop being so inefficient. There should be a simple centralized database of all the data the government needs to run its services to the people effectively.

    Of course, there are always concerns about abuse, but that's where... hello Congress and the Courts... come in to protect us. We should absolutely call out that abuse or potential for it, which is what everyone usually does (that's the hypocritical part, maybe).

    There's also a line that we probably shouldn't cross. The government should have your ID - they issued it! They should have your income - they collect taxes! They should have other personal and sensitive info, but... should they have psychological profiles of you? Where does your speech land on the political scale? What do you think of the current administration? How you dress? What medicines you take? Who you love... the clearly authoritarian stuff that China probably has should be hands-off.
     
  2. Kemahkeith

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    I'm pretty sure between my:
    Enhanced license
    TSA prescreen
    My EZ pass for toll roads
    My on star
    Passport
    social security number
    and cookies on my computer.
    The government even knows which genre of p*rn I view.

    Big brother has always been watching
     
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  3. Amiga

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    Just upload all of that to ChatGPT, and it can end up knowing more about you than you know yourself.

    According to your profile, you are deemed Risk Z, requiring rendition. Please report to Camp Remedition tomorrow at 8 am for training and enhancement.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    All I want is:

    1) An itemized tax bill/receipt
    2) Stop being treated like a terrorist at every airport
    3) No more whining about election integrity

    I feel like we can accomplish these things without implementing a thought crime enforcement agency.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    I continue to believe there is no such thing as a real libertarian. It is just not in human nature to turn down the use of governing power to suit their interests if they get that power.

    Human nature is best with balance. Yin, and Yang. Fire, and water. Batman and Joker.... and yes... Conservatives, and Liberals.

    Libertarians are people too with values, and desires. Liberty is nothing without understanding what you are liberated from. I value clean water... I don't want to be liberated from water sanitation.

    They will want something if they have the power to do it, and they won't suddenly let the concept of "Liberty" stand in the way if they have the power of government behind them to make that happen. Everyone has impulses, and everyone needs a check on those impulses.

    The so-called "libertarians" here have proven over and over again that their personal values align with the right 99% of the time therefore do not expect their concept of liberty to stand in the way of what can be done to wield the power of something like this to serve their interests.
     
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  6. Kemahkeith

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    Do I need to submit a time off request from work, or will I not be expected to return.
    I have a trip to Texas planned in august. 1985 Highschool reunion.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    Cool Story Bro: My company at the time hired Palantir to help us leverage our customer data back when Palantir's rep was really hot. What they came up with was pretty damn pedestrian and our IT guys complained they didn't do anything we couldn't have done in-house. Millions of dollars later, we cancelled the contract. Idk, maybe we got their B team. Any in any case, what they're proposing to do with government data doesn't seem hard, merely inappropriate.

    I'm tempted to take this view. The government already has a lot of data about me so at this point why not at least surveil me efficiently. The problem is not that government is trying to be more efficient and effective, it's that their practices are collecting data on me in the first place. However, on much of our data collected, we have rules (sometimes regulatory and sometimes statutory) about how that data can be used -- those rules were put in place so that we would tolerate the data collection in the first damn place. I guess most prominently we have rules about medical privacy that makes us keep that data very secure. We have rules meant to prevent IRS data from being leveraged against us without a warrant. We have separations, also, between the data that states collect and what the Feds collect. And these all stem ultimately from our civil rights to due process and against unjustified search and seizure. So we have an administrative framework that demands fragmentation of data for privacy rights purposes and a database architected to consolidate it all. It's a misalignment that will make either the database or the administrative framework fail. And I guess I know which one I'd bet on.
     
  8. Amiga

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    There is higher chance you'll get a centralized database of everything about you before #2 and #3.
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    So, the government will track all your social media posts and know which way you lean, we are on the way to minority report.

    DD
     
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  10. Rocket River

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    This is the worse part
    Corporations have no country loyalty
    and every thing is justified by the Profit Motive
    so
    If an extra Billion to the stockholders can be found by
    selling that info to the Russians . .. . so be it


    When is the 90 days up?

    Rocket River
     
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  11. JuanValdez

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    What would that even look like?

    Safety from foreign invaders........................ $3,412
    A well-ordered economy............................... $1,249
    Fair and equal protection under the law..... $785
    Public safety.................................................... $621
    Public infrastructure....................................... $551
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Minneapolis today. This is a fascist occupation army - there isn't really any other way to describe this.
     

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