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Presidential Debate II: McCain vs. Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Oct 7, 2008.

  1. BetterThanEver

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    You could thank George Bush for that. The republicans should have worked on prevention last year, instead of a bailout this year.
     
  2. yaoluv

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    LOL

    Mccain is a marketing creation my friend.

    -Palin was a complete marketing decision.
    -Mccain's right turn on social issues was a complete marketing decision to his base.
    -Mccains 'suspend the campaign' was a total marketing decision.
    -The plan that he ran out last night about buying up all bad mortgages and renegotiating them was a focus group driven plan, if Obama had proposed that plan you would be lambasting his communist ways.
    -Mccain's decision to cut ties with media was a marketing decision because questions were making him look bad

    and on and on

    Mccain has totally changed his ways since the 2000 race based on what he thought would get him the nomination and eventually the presidency. It just hasn't worked. If Obama is a marketing creation, Obama has a way better marketing dept than Mccain
     
  3. Faos

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    That's a classy response.

    Of course, you would have said that about any republican.
     
  4. yaoluv

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    I'm not him, but I think Romney would be doing pretty well right now. Romney is in much better position to make these economic arguments than Mccain, because Romney has actually been out in the private sector and knows what it takes to be successful.

    Also Romney has a healthcare plan that actually makes sense.
     
  5. rhadamanthus

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    Stay classy, Faos.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I wouldn't.....where the heck is the fiscal conservative, socially moderate republicans like Reagan?

    That is what I want back in control of the grand old party........

    Because this iteration is filled with radical religious zealots.....it reminds me of when Pat Robertson used to run on the ticket and garner a few votes in the primary, me and other young republicans used to laugh a bit and vote for the normal candidate.

    Now, the Pat Robertson style of candidate is getting supported...it is 100% the wrong way to go, and against most of the people in America's views....that is why McCain is being slaughtered in the polls he has taken up unpopular positions....even within people from his own party.

    This country needs more moderates, that is what wins......we have had enough of the radicals......time for moderation to take over......

    McCain was tossed up as the sacrificial lamb, no one should be surprised that Obama is weilding the axe.

    DD
     
  7. Major

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    Totally agree here. This is where the earmarks stuff comes into play. He doesn't get that NO ONE CARES about his earmark fighting. There is an economy in turmoil. Talk about that instead.

    This is also playing badly with undecideds, I think. These things work in ads with an electorate that's not paying attention. In that scenario, you get to define the other guy. With an electorate that's highly engaged, and an opponent that can rebut your info immediately in a debate, that stuff doesn't work. They are using a template for 2000 or 2004 and trying it in 2008, not realizing the significant differences.

    It's the same as their convention, where Mitt Romney was talking about throwing all the liberals out of power and stuff like that. They were recycled speeches and messages from 2000. The whole campaign is in a timewarp.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Major,

    I was talking to some friends about the polling and they brought up the point that the polls don't take into consideration the young vote...18-25 etc...and that those people are overwhelmingly Obama.

    He contends that the election is not as close as they are making it out because of that.

    What do you think about that?

    Thanks,

    DD
     
  9. rhadamanthus

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    Concur. If there are any real undecideds out there who are trying to make informed decisions, it stands to reason that outright lying would be considered, at a minimum, bad form - and at worse, totally unacceptable.

    Probably the closest thing Obama did akin to the aforementioned McCain gaffes were his remarks regarding mccain's health care tax benefit as "what one had giveth, the other taketh away". But even that is not an outright lie, just an easily misinterpreted (maybe intetionally so?) phrase. I wish Obama had mentioned in that same exchange the ENORMOUS defecit mccain's health care tax idea would cause. Something like 1.3 trillion...
     
  10. gifford1967

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    tj reeks of desperation. And the truly funny thing is that even according to tj's own logic, his candidate is losing because the President that tj has jock sniffed for years is an EPIC FAILURE of HISTORICAL PROPORTIONS.
     
  11. DonkeyMagic

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    opinion: Obama looked good and other than his constant "uhs" and fumbling without a teleprompter, he looks the part. Once you get past the superficial aspect (which very few people do) he didn't have much substance. He never has. It is amazing how one can talk so much, say so little and still have people rally behind him.

    Mccain was himself. Not as smooth or "Cool" as Obama. The "my friends" line got old but when it actually came to substance he certainly said more than Obama. I think Mccain won on talking points, but no one cares about that...
    Unfortunately, somewhere this has turned into a beauty contest and Obama has the edge there.


    i agree. But aren't you supporitng obama? hardly a moderate
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    what substance does mccain have compared to obama. on pakistan, on healthcare, on intervention in international conflicts, on the economy?
     
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    McCain: "My Friends" > Obama: "Look"
     
  14. rhadamanthus

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    I just briefly read through some of the transcript again and I really don't see this at all. Could you give some examples?
     
  15. Major

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    You may not agree on the particulars of the substance, but analysis shows that Obama has much more depth and detail to all of his proposals than McCain does.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12215.html

    McCain relies far more on rhetoric than Obama does - he's just not very good at it. He talks about things like a commission to study SS/Medicare. Notice he said "we all know how to fix SS" but never said how. He talks about how he'll fix everything through bipartisanship, while simultaneously decrying liberals. McCain didn't discuss a single proposal in detail yesterday. Not one.
     
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    He used the phrase "I know how" seven (10?) times yesterday. I found that insightful. Don't tell me you "know" how, tell me what the "how" is!
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    i will give mccain substance points on two issues, first his bailout plan (well not really his) for refinancing mortgages. secondly, he comes off more informed on russia, even though i don't agree. other than that, he is the talking point machine.

    how many times was he going to refer to obama's votes, his working across the aisle, etc.
     
  18. DonkeyMagic

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    I disagree. Granted, all politicians use generic and trite phrases, i just always feel like obama is/was more of a motivational speaker.
     
  19. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    This election is over. Obama is going to win and win big.

    However, what I find very disturbing is that the majority of Americans are ready to vote in a radical Left wing Socialist candidate in Obama. Bashing Bush I get. It's what he's been doing the whole campaign and on 90% of the issues I would agree with Obama on. However, when Obama said this last night -

    "You know, a lot of you remember the tragedy of 9/11 and where you were on that day and, you know, how all of the country was ready to come together and make enormous changes to make us not only safer, but to make us a better country and a more unified country.

    And President Bush did some smart things at the outset, but one of the opportunities that was missed was, when he spoke to the American people, he said, "Go out and shop."

    That wasn't the kind of call to service that I think the American people were looking for."

    Again, I will preface by saying I understand and agree when Obama attacks Bush on the failed policies. However, attacking Bush during 9/11 proves to me and shows how he really feels about our economy, Capitalism, and the American way.

    When Bush said go out and shop, he also said go to the movies, go on with our regular lives because we can't let the Terrorists win. We can't let them destroy our economy and our way of life. The country was in a recession right after 9/11 but we got right out of it. How? By doing exactly what Bush said. Now how got into the mess we are in isn't exclusive to America. This is a Global problem. That is being debated now, but for Obama to suggest that by NOT shopping was the reason why Americans are facing the economic problems now proves many things.

    For Obama to say we shouldn't be shopping not only shows how out of touch he is with basic economics, but also how he doesn't trust the American people. Obama showed he does not believe in the Free Market. He also has no faith in Capitalism and we are seeing right before our eyes his Socialistic agenda. Finally, we are seeing how much he hates Bush personally. I can criticize George Bush all day on many things. One thing I won't criticize him on is how he handled 9/11. Whether you like Bush or hate him, he was our leader in time of crisis and helped brought All Americans together. As someone who personally lived through 9/11 and lost people at WTC, I won't criticize our President like Obama did last night on that issue. Obama bashing Bush on 9/11 sent a terrible message to the Terrorists around the world. Obama basically told them they won.

    This is truly the end of the America as we once knew it.
     
  20. Lil Pun

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    That mortgage bailout plan sounded kind of scary to me.
     

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