I don't care if Vince had a QB rating of over 100+ and Mario had zero sacks. That shouldn't affect the general principle of it. Either preseason can be used to make realistic evaluations, or it can't; and it shouldn't depend on who the player is (unless you're comparing a starter to a second or third string, or something like that).
No one said VY performance was irrelevant, no one said Mario is the biggest bust in the history of sports because of one game. Your arguing style is curious, to say the least. It must be hard to knock down all those straw men you put up. Both VY and Bush have shown way more than Mario, will you argue with that?
Absolutely not. But they're all a work in progress. I think it's fair to wait until VY and/or Bush have even a very good season (much less a great one) before declaring it "a joke" and that the Texans will "NEVER live it down."
Cat -- bottom line is, when you're #1 overall pick, much more is expected of you than mario has shown to date. we can all cross our fingers and hope it changes. but what we've seen so far ain't real good.
I agree. But the reality is that he played while very hurt for 75 percent of last season, so there's reason for at least guarded optimism. And I'm not going to throw that out the window and give up on him after a meaningless exhibition game. I'll agree that if he doesn't break through with a solid season, it will start to look real bad... but I'll wait until the games matter to say for sure.
even in an exhibition game...we're not talking rocket science. we're talking about the ability to beat your man...or at least look like you're close to beating your man. i'm not sure when the switch gets flipped.
Players guaranteed starting roles aren't going anywhere close to full intensity in these games... it's more about avoiding injury.
someone on one side of the ball is winning each matchup on each play. someone somewhere is making plays. i'd like to see it be mario at some point. i don't think that's asking a whole lot.
Once again, VY has shown something in the regular season; Mario has not. Thus, VY, although certainly not immune to criticism, is given more slack this preseason than Mario is, as he has less to prove. No, it may not be fair, but that's life. There are plenty of NFL players sucking it up in the preseason who are being treated the same way as VY, so it's not just some sort of "Jesus Vince Bias", either.
IMO this statement is not correct. There was a 5 game strech after an initial period of adjustment and before the plantar fasciitis (from MIA on Oct. 1 to NYG on Nov. 5) where Mario played very well.
I like your optomism but there is a reason why many of us have been extremely disappointed with Mario. We all understand that it is only the preseason...but he has yet to even make the stat sheet. Even worse, he isn't even getting close to the QB. Bush and VY aren't great yet...but we've seen it from them. The same can't be said for Mario (yet).
cosign on VY and he was a rookie QB. Plus, Bush caught 88 balls. He also looks like he knows how to play the game and actually tries on the field. I'm yet to see that out of mario. He hasn't even given us aa hint of enthusiasm on defense from his position.
I think it's a little silly for any of us to pass judgment on someone's enthusiasm when we're not on the practice field, not in the huddle and not on the sidelines. Tim Duncan doesn't exactly give much hints of enthusiasm, yet he's a pretty decent player at his sport. Trying doesn't always equate with pounding your chest.
ok...i quit. he's awesome! or, in the alterative... i haven't seen enough...i need to give the #1 overall pick a full 3 years before I can have any sort of opinion about him at all.
hahaha. I'm definitely disappointed with him too, don't get me wrong. It's just the "he's not trying" argument is a pet peeve of mine, because none of us are really in a position to tell. Whatever the reason, he is absolutely the catalyst for how this defense will perform, and he needs to step it up from where he was a season ago. No question about it.
Actually, there are a lot of experts right now who think that Vince has serious issues and is probably going to suffer a nasty sophomore slump this year. Talk from Titans officials about how there's no point signing star receivers in Tennessee because VY isn't going to get them the ball in the right spots anyway, his style of play is still way too improvisational, and he lacks pocket presence. It's true he was OROY last year, and he does have those leadership qualities and all that, but his completion pct. last year is the same as this preseason ... barely above 50%, way too poor for a "superstar" quarterback. I saw that lick Harrison put on him in the NE game -- he actually looked like David Carr. Didn't even see the hit coming. If you asked me, I'm still disappointed that we haven't seen production from Mario, but I'd rather have Schaub at QB than Vince right now. What's even more surprising is that it seems the success has gotten to his head already, and his head coach is making excuses for him publicly.
Ever since last season ended I thought the Titans would have a tough act to follow. They would have been better off with fewer wins because the expectations have been built too high. Their weak offseason has further conVINCEd me they will have a down year and Vince will have a very rough time. If he doesn't develop into a better passer, Vince won't even be as good as Michael Vick was because Vick's athleticism blows Vince's away. How much you wanna bet NFL defenses blitz him more, adjust tighter on his scrambling and reveal just how poor a passer and decision-maker he really (is at this point)? If last year's success has gone to VY's head, I overestimated him.
I've watched him in college (as many highlights as I could find), last years entire preseason, entire season, and this years preseason and I've seen nothing. Tim Duncan came into the league and dominated from the start while mario has been a huge dissapointment. He had a rep for taking plays off in college and if you watch him play with us I noticed the same thing last year. i understand it's preseason but I'd like to see something other then him overrunning a play, just getting pushed back or simply standing up with an OL when he's gettign single covered. I mean the guy doesn't even get QB hurries
I understand Schaub because he has looked good. I have heard a few negatives about VY but none of that. In fact, his teammates always rave about what a great leader he is. The point is Mario sucks so far.
Where did you hear Titan officials talk about there not being a point to sign star receivers because of VY?
