Don't forget Battier. I'd say he's a good shooter. And I'd say Rafer goes in the "slightly below average" category, or Artest goes in the "average" category. Last two seasons, Rafer has shot 35.8%, while Artest has shot 36.8%. Further, I'm pretty sure a much higher proportion of Rafer's 3-point shot attempts have been open, spot-up jumpers compared to Artest.
Career/last season 1. brent barry .407/.429 2. luther head .393/.351 3. rafer alston .357/.351 4. von wafer .136/.154 5. ron artest .329/.380 6. aaron brooks .330/.330 7. tracy mcgrady .337/.292 8. dj strawberry .240/.240 *shane battier .389/.377 have a look at the stats. You got most of it correct, but looks like artest and battier who you left out is a much better shooter than you think. The sop kids have too little of a sample size, while von wafer got almost no playing time wherever he goes. They should do better this season thou.
Preseason stats don't mean a thing. I won't be surprised if Wafer starts missing those 3 pointers once the regular season starts. Anyone here remember Connor Henry?
i was just considering guards in my ranking. otherwise i'd list yao somewhere in front of strawberry, too. if i had considered shane, i'd put him at #2 or #3. he's worse than barry but still a player i'd call a good and very consistent shooter. rafer vs. artest: i'll still go with rafer. rafer has proven that he can hit the 3-pointer at about 36 % in the last 2 or 3 seasons. that's also his career average now. artest on the other hand has only one season where he was better than 36 %. also, i think artest is much worse as a spot-up shooter. i don't expect him to be anywhere near the 38 % he hit last year. in fact, i believe that rafer will shoot better than artest from beyond the arc next season. but we'll see i guess.
Based on the FG%, how can you say Ron Wafer is not producing??? Dude is making shots better than any shooter guards we have out there. He could be as valuable as Brent Barry and Battier in terms of shooting. He's already better than Head in my book just because he can drive and dunk...which is a MUST in this offense if you want to get ANY playing time. One-dimensional player just won't do!
Wafer is a one-dimensional player. All he's shown that he can do well is hit a spot-up three. When he's not doing that, he's not helping the team.
Actually von has been attacking the rim here and there. he has the ability to put the ball on the floor and go straight to the hoop. he does get to the line pretty much 4 or 5 times a game.
I've seen him drive to the basket against bad defenses. But he doesn't seem to finish well or create scoring opportunities for teammates off the drive, so it's tough for me to give him a lot of credit on that. And while he's gotten to the line, he's also struggled to convert there.
The game against the kings he did a good job at getting to the whole, but he got alot unlucky rolls.as for the creating, he is a scoring SG i think his job is similar to say someone like jr smith who comes in and strictly looks to give an instant offensive boost. they are not there to be playmakers. they are there to score.
What are you watching?? Wafer doesn't just shoot 3....did you see him drive and dunk in Boston?? Did you see him drive and get the foul after a layup against the Kings?? Now tell me if Head can remotely come close to doing that?? He's NOT one-dimensional player!! I take anyone that can shoot and drive at the same time over LUTHER HEAD any day!!!
Wafer has shot 21-51 from the field, 13-25 from beyond the arc, 8-26 from inside the arc, and 7-12 from the free throw line. In other words, on shots other than spot-up threes, he's shooting 31% from the field, and 58% from the free throw line. Taking 3-pointers out of the equation, that amounts to a 36.7 TS%. That's horrendous. How horrendous? Well, if you take all the SG/SF that have played at least 100 minutes during the preseason, Wafer's scoring efficiency inside the 3-point line ranks him 59th out of 63 players. Now, if Wafer was a proven 3-point shooter in the regular season, that may not matter. But, for all we know, once the real games start that shot may not fall as frequently. The question then if he has enough game inside the arc to make him worthwhile as a rotation player. Frankly, it doesn't look like it to me.
That describes luther head dude. if luthers shot is'nt falling he is useless. with wafer if his shot isnt falling he doers have the ability to get to the line or get layups or dunks.
History and fact probably stands against you in this argument ronny... Wafer would have had to significantly improve his game over the course of the summer for him to be a better player than Luther Head. Head has proven that he's a better 3pt shooter, better at putting the ball on the floor and getting to the hoop, and better at finishing at the rim. The fact that Head isn't great at many of those things speaks pretty loudly against Von Wafer. Personally I'd rather have Wafer make the squard than Strawberry - I'd prefer the shooter to the scrapper --> but perhaps the BEST option is for both to get cut to save the Rockets $1.4million.
If we go by what we seen from the pre-season, luther has been pretty ordinary at putting the ball on the floor compared to wafer. most of the time luther puts the ball on the floor as you say, it resulted in turnovers or wild layup attempts that naturaly resulted in bricks. from what i've seen wafer is better at getting to the rim then luther. he is more athletic and can draw more fouls and has the ability to finish better. The 3pt shot is up for debate to, but luther to his credit has proven he can knock that shot during the regular season. the onus is on von to replicate that if hge were to be part of the squad.
I'm concerned with Rafer and his shooting percentages. It's not like he can turn it on at a moments notice. I'm also concerned with his drinking, could it be impacting his game.
Role players don't always have to be multi-faceted if they are really good at what they do. A guy like Wafer wouldn't be getting a lot of minutes even if he makes the team. The reason I like him over Head is that Head doesn't seem to be getting any better after a few seasons. Wafer has legit size for a SG and I definitely believe he is more capable of getting to the rim and finishing than Luther, regardless of what the limited stats show. J.R. Smith shot 39% from the field and 29% from behind the arc as a rook. Last season he shot 46% from the field and 40% behind the arc. I see Wafer with Smith-type potential. Smith is pretty one-dimensional himself but he is a solid option off the bench to give you some scoring in limited minutes. I vote to keep Wafer over Strawberry and Harris if we are going to keep any of those 3.
u be surprise looking at head's stat. As of last years stats. Of 476 shot attempt last season, 155 is at the rim, making 83 of them. 244 3p attempt which he makes 79 of them. He only got 70 turnovers as a whole of last season which is at 0.9 turnover per game. Compare that to the 1.9 assist he gets. And to make things more interesting, he shoots FTs at .815, which is basically money if he ever gets to the FT line, while he do get to the FT line about 1 time a game. All i'm trying to prove is, luther head is not a great player, heck his not even a good player in my eyes, but he do know his limits and he play to his strength. His not the turnover waiting to be happen, bricks within the 3p line. His actually a pretty decent player. p.s. which i really hope can be upgraded this year.
If its only guards, why you put artest there? And for the past few years, lets just take rafer's 3 years in rox and this year's preseason. 06/07/08/09 preseason Alston- .327/ .363/ .361 / .304 Ron - .308/ .358/ .380 / .368 hmmm, i take ron's improving 3p shot over alston wide open bricks. Hmm, i take the improving artest,
Whoa, we have a Wafer, a Rafer, a Ron, AND a Ron Wafer? Now all we need is a Rafer Wafer. Or a Ron Von.
