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[Prediction] When it's all said and done, who's gonna be the best Houston Rocket?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DeAleck, Mar 22, 2007.

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  1. rockets fan

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    Stupid Thread. Really disrespectful to Hakeem, and really unfair to T-Mac and Yao. Let me ask you all a question: How many championships has T-Mac and Yao won? How much playoff success did Hakeem have 5 years into his career? The answer of these two questions illustrates the stupidity of this thread and the idiots trying to answer the thread question seriously.
     
  2. rockets fan

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    Honestly, if Ewing won in 94, he would have won with as little as Hakeem. A lot of people are going to bash me for this, but the 90's era didn't really feature as many great teams as it's hyped up to be. Ultimately, that's how Jordan got so many championships. The bulls were a 50+ win team w/o Jordan, and solid Easter Conf. contenders. As much as I hate to say it, you put the Shaq and Kobe era lakers in the 90's, Jordan would have at least 2 less rings. IMHO.
     
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    Oscar Robertson, man. And Duncan couldn't carry Dream's jock.
     
  5. rdsgonzo13

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    Jordan had Pippen and nothing else?! Ever heard of Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman, a couple of all star Power forwards who Jordan had in every one of his titles?!

    If the Bulls were so bad without Jordan, why did they only win 2 less games without him in 1994 when he rtired?
     
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    You put the Jazz teams of the late 90's in this decade and they'd have 5-6 titles. And they couldnt win one in the 90's.

    In the 90's you had the Bulls (greatest player ever), Rockets (Greatest center ever, b2b titles), Malone/Jazz (one of the best tandems ever in their prime), Barkley/KJ, some tough Knicks and Pacers teams, and some very talented Sonics teams with Payton/Kemp/Detlef. In the early 90's, you had some ridiculously talented Portland teams with Clyde, Porter, Cliff Robinson, Ainge, etc who got to the Finals twice.

    You think MJ's competition was weak? When he got to the Finals he was facing Clyde Drexler, Barkley at his peak, Malone/Stockton at their peak.

    Shaq/Kobe faced 2 of the worst teams in NBA history to ever make the finals in the Jason Kidd Nets and the Iverson/Mutombo sixers. MJ faced much, much tougher competition. An executing, no mistake team like the Jazz would give the Shaq-Kobe lakers fits. Remember Shaq was always swept by these Jazz in the 90's.

    The east has been a total joke this entire decade, save for the Pistons in 2004. Every other Eastern Conf Champion this decade struggles to even make the playoffs in the 90's. The quality of ball has gotten that much worse.

    When you look at the 90's you're looking at what, 5 of the top 20 players ever in Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, MJ, Barkley? Then you had 4 of the top 10 C's of all time balling in hakeem, drob, ewing, shaq, not to mentione Deke and Alonzo.

    In the 00's, you only have one in Duncan (Shaq was both a 90's and 00's guy). The other stars like Dirk, Kobe, AI, KG, etc of this decade cant hold a candle to the aforementioned guys of the 90's.
     
  7. Untraceable

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    Hakeem was averaging 20+/10+ his rookie yr.....not to mention his defense....was ridiculous....I love T & Y but.....

    38 points/18rbs/12blk/7stls/7asst in 1 game...nuff said!
     
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    I would do anything to a donkey if Yao becomes a better player than Dream.

    It won't happen.

    Hakeem was an athletic, strong, smart, skilled, finesse, defensive beast of a player.

    The only thing Yao has on Dream is height, and Dream made up for not being so tall with his increadible ability to rise off the floor with lethal quickness.

    Yao is still light years behind Dream in terms of defense/rebounding. This is one area where Yao should still improve, but remember, Dream was a defensive player first and only developed his offensive game in his early years with the Rockets.

    However, Yao simply will never have the wide range of skills that Dream had. He will never steal the ball with consistancy, he will never have the range of moves that Dream had on offense, and he hasn't yet shown that he can pass the ball, block shots, or rebound as well as Dream did (although he does have a ton of potential in these areas.

    Yes, Yao has greatness in his future, but not to the extent that Dream was great.
     
  9. StupidMoniker

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    I would say Yao is already a superior passer to Dream. Hakeem was great in a lot of areas, but passing really wasn't one of them.
     
  10. DeAleck

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    I have to disagree with that. Hakeem had around 15 tripple-doubles in his career. Yao has had 0 so far. I don't remember Yao ever had over 10 assists in a game.
     
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    I think alot of those triples Hakeem had involved blocks, I could be wrong though.

    I can say without hesitation that at this stage of his career Yao is a more willing passer then Hakeem at the same age. Hakeem at that point didn't really trust his supporting cast yet and constantly tried to score over double and triple teams.
     
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    Hakeem is the greatest Rocket ever, and will always hold that title. You youngin's don't forget that.
     
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    Who the hell voted for Yao? I love Yao but he is nowhere near Dream and Never will be.
     
  14. SgtSneaker

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    I'd have to say the best Rocket ever will be Matt West. Never heard of him? That's because he's my 11 year old nephew but the boy can ball. Hey a prediction is a prediction.

    But sticking strictly with the choices in the poll, ya gotta go with 'Akeem'... no doubt.
     
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    This is why I laugh at some of the members. Yao will Never NEVER NEVER equal Dream.

    Dream is the best there was . The best there is. THe best there ever will be.
     
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    yao might be a more willing and even better passer, but he's not more effective. he could be magic johnson, but as long as his ability to handle and attack a double team is so inferior to hakeem's (he just gets so flustered so often) he isn't a more effective passer than hakeem. he's averaging 2.2 apg this year and that's by far a career high.

    and hakeem had 5 triple doubles with assists, including the quadruple double as one (at least back to 86-87 but i'm guessing he had none his first 2 years since his 1st was in 1990).
     
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    yes, MJ's generation is the whole DREAM TEAM. The are real gold. Until they are gone, Shaq can't win anything and was a big choker.
     
  18. yowyao

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    remove hakeem on the list and this will be 5 stars
     
  19. zong

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    you compare the past with the furture, then what you get? I know Yao and TMac would never be good as the Dream, but if these two bring three titles to the Rockets, then all arguments could be very interesting.
     
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    i think it really depends on what tmac and yao do as a combo... they would have to win more then 3 ships in order to take out the dream as the top rocket of all time......

    i mean dream brought houston its first championship so that is always special and was a dynasty....

    i really thing yao may have a shot because he will be with houston for his career and it goes back to how many ships he wins
     

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